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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 22:07:49 GMT -5
Also...Kentucky against Nebraska again!! Skinner and Lilley just can’t get away from the Huskers (except for last year). that match up would put a lot of things to rest.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 28, 2021 22:11:05 GMT -5
Trojans will possibly write a book for you. Lol. He's got all his at-large misses taped on a hitman board in his basement. About half were acceptable -- half were not. But, I'm not THAT crazy. I'd rather have a moment of silence for some teams who probably deserved bids-- like 2014 Pacific (who I predicted out, and they were out, but probably deserved a bid). 2017 North Texas and Maryland, 2018 Kansas State. Though maybe KSU gets in this year when I don't feel they should, and that draws them even. There is actually a trend of teams *just barely missing* the NCAA Tournament, often after I project them in, and then their programs go on a completely downhill trajectory. Cal, is the latest victim. The above ^ teams also fit the bill, except swap out 2018 Kansas State with KU.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 28, 2021 22:18:44 GMT -5
He's got all his at-large misses taped on a hitman board in his basement. About half were acceptable -- half were not. But, I'm not THAT crazy. I'd rather have a moment of silence for some teams who probably deserved bids-- like 2014 Pacific (who I predicted out, and they were out, but probably deserved a bid). 2017 North Texas and Maryland, 2018 Kansas State. Though maybe KSU gets in this year when I don't feel they should, and that draws them even. There is actually a trend of teams *just barely missing* the NCAA Tournament, often after I project them in, and then their programs go on a completely downhill trajectory. Cal, is the latest victim. The above ^ teams also fit the bill, except swap out 2018 Kansas State with KU. When I was looking at all the WCC teams' performances over the last decade, I was very surprised that Pacific didn't make it in a year that they went 24-7 and 13-5 (second place) in a conference that sent four other teams to the tournament that year. I actually looked up your final bracketology from that season to see if you had anything to say about Pacific being left out, and you had plenty to say. I felt bad for Pacific. That was their best chance this decade.
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Post by cindra on Mar 28, 2021 22:25:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind not seeing Notre Dame... they've been dreadful this spring Fall results count too, and those are good on the resume. Swept Louisville and traded with Pittsburgh. Duke and GT are a tough pair of matches for them to close the ACC season though. GT is looking OK, and Duke loves to play spoiler.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 22:30:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind not seeing Notre Dame... they've been dreadful this spring Fall results count too, and those are good on the resume. Swept Louisville and traded with Pittsburgh. Duke and GT are a tough pair of matches for them to close the ACC season though. GT is looking OK, and Duke loves to play spoiler. I know, but its not the same level of play (Louisville was the first match of the season and Pitt... well they were a mess) GT has looked bad against both good teams they've played this spring. Like real bad. They'll get in with their resume. I just dont think their play matches it.
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 28, 2021 22:33:04 GMT -5
OMG that Region 3! Yeah. That's brutal.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 28, 2021 22:35:15 GMT -5
When I was looking at all the WCC teams' performances over the last decade, I was very surprised that Pacific didn't make it in a year that they went 24-7 and 13-5 (second place) in a conference that sent four other teams to the tournament that year. I actually looked up your final bracketology from that season to see if you had anything to say about Pacific being left out, and you had plenty to say. I felt bad for Pacific. That was their best chance this decade. Yep. Really feel for them. A little irony too: USC and Pacific played that year in a non-conference de-facto play-in game to the NCAA's, though at the time it wasn't known. If USC lost, they wouldn't have had an eligible record. Pacific W obviously would have put them in. I could see arguments for Pacific out -- particularly if SMU replaced them. But back then, Rich Kern's RPI predictor wasn't as accurate as the RPI predictors that were around in the past few years. I was wrong on Virginia Tech's resume when I made my final prediction, I had Pitt Top 50. When they came out with Michigan State, I was bothered. I actually think Pacific's head coach and AD came out and were furious with the committee. You can look at the resume's here: extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/VB%20Team%20Sheets%20thru%20Nov%2029%202014.pdf#42 SMU, #48 Michigan State, #49 Pacific, and #51 Virginia Tech are the relevant ones. I just can't see how you look at those 4 teams and say -- Michigan State is the one I want!
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 28, 2021 22:43:08 GMT -5
It's really hard to rank below the top three, and the comparisons between conferences are all but impossible, but I'm not sure Neb will fall as low as 7. I also think Purdue will be higher than 14, and I'm not sure OSU will be seeded above them. There is a big difference in difficulty of schedule between the two. Two wins in two nights in OSU's gym is pretty definitive in that context. They've only lost to UW, Minn and once to PSU on the road.
EDIT: I wrote this before I entirely read through your system of seeding. Are you sure this system is the one the committee will use? It seems really stiff, but I imagine it's caused by the fact that there was no interconference play.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 28, 2021 22:48:49 GMT -5
n00b you are usually good with this stuff, is this the selection committee this year? web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1WVBVery interesting that two bubble-OUT teams (Houston and Tennessee) will have committee members. Washington and Ohio State are the other tournament teams who will have represented committee members. PAC-12, AAC, C-USA, SEC, and Big Ten are represented. The WCC, ACC, and Big 12 are not. I've heard that they are not supposed to be in the room when specific teams are discussed, correct? Though, there was a year that Northern Iowa was a bubble team and got into the tournament and they had a committee member, I preferred Wyoming's resume, a team that was left out, that year.
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Post by huskerjen on Mar 28, 2021 22:58:01 GMT -5
Also...Kentucky against Nebraska again!! Skinner and Lilley just can’t get away from the Huskers (except for last year). that match up would put a lot of things to rest. Most notably, Kentucky's season.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 28, 2021 22:58:47 GMT -5
n00b you are usually good with this stuff, is this the selection committee this year? web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1WVBVery interesting that two bubble-OUT teams (Houston and Tennessee) will have committee members. Washington and Ohio State are the other tournament teams who will have represented committee members. PAC-12, AAC, C-USA, SEC, and Big Ten are represented. The WCC, ACC, and Big 12 are not. I've heard that they are not supposed to be in the room when specific teams are discussed, correct? Though, there was a year that Northern Iowa was a bubble team and got into the tournament and they had a committee member, I preferred Wyoming's resume, a team that was left out, that year. I was going to ask if you've noticed if committee membership affiliation has seemed to matter at the margins. My other question is if teams that have a strong history tend to get the benefit of the doubt. Like this year, San Diego is on the bubble, but they've made 10 straight tournaments. If it was a different WCC team (except for BYU), even Pepperdine, that had San Diego's record and results, I'd be more doubtful of their chances. But I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 22:59:28 GMT -5
that match up would put a lot of things to rest. Most notably, Kentucky's season. lol okay miss girl. We will see
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Post by Bearkitten on Mar 28, 2021 22:59:38 GMT -5
How could anyone justify Ohio State being seeded ahead of Purdue based on strength of schedules and Purdue winning back to back matches at Ohio State this weekend 3-1? There was left no doubt who the better team was and both teams were at full strength. Purdue may be playing as well as ant team in the country at the moment and many believe they are a legitimate Final 4 contender.
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Mar 28, 2021 23:06:17 GMT -5
Also...Kentucky against Nebraska again!! Skinner and Lilley just can’t get away from the Huskers (except for last year). that match up would put a lot of things to rest. let’s be real here, a lot of Husker fans (not me lol and a good bunch of others) would find some reason to discredit a Kentucky win and say that Nebraska would still win 9 of 10 times. Like there are certain situations where a team might be “better” but still lose (I.e. winning total points by a large amount despite still losing in 5), but i can guarantee you that some fans will not accept what happens if Nebraska was to lose the match. But I hope you know that those of us who aren’t extremely biased homers would let the results speak for themselves 😬
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 23:10:52 GMT -5
that match up would put a lot of things to rest. let’s be real here, a lot of Husker fans (not me lol) would find some reason to discredit a Kentucky win and say that Nebraska would still win 9 of 10 times. Like there are certain situations where a team might be “better” but still lose (I.e. winning total points by a large amount despite still losing in 5), but i can guarantee you that some fans will not accept what happens if Nebraska was to lose the match. But I hope you know that those of us who aren’t extremely biased homers would let the results speak for themselves 😬 this is so refreshing
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