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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:07:12 GMT -5
The B1G decided to hold competitions this season under difficult circumstances and laid out criteria by which a champion is determined. When the dust settled, Wisconsin is the champion. Thus, they are the one and true deserving champion. On one hand, they had a less onerous schedule than we had anticipated. On the other, they were only able to play 1 match in about a month and a half and overcame all the adversity COVID threw at them to win a trophy. Because of the shutdown and long layoff, winning the B1G championship was not a big concern of mine. Getting them some matches of any kind this weekend was more important. But, a trophy is great too. Never met a championship trophy I didn't like. Even the really ugly ones
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 2, 2021 9:26:44 GMT -5
Unlike some other programs and students generally, they bubbled. They didn't see friends outside the program. They isolated. Does that make sense or do I have to make it even more simple? I understand that and totally agree with the sacrifice. They obviously love the game. I don’t take away anything from Wisconsin. They’re obviously an incredible team but how do you award a conference championship to any team with a schedule like this? If it’s awarded to any team I understand why it would be Wisconsin but it just seems to diminish the value of it when you haven’t played quite a few teams. Can't help that Purdue didn't have Cleveland and that MN didn't have Shaffmaster and CC. We didn't have players as well throughout the season. We can't change the fact that MSU passed on the virus to us and caused us to miss matches with NE. We controlled what was on our side of the net. 14-0 dropping only a handful of sets. BY and large winning sets by significant margins. While I understand the argument that no one should win this season, that's not the parameter created by the BIG for competition this year. What's more, there wasn't a worthy team besides WI. MN lost to WI, NE. NE lost to MN and OSU. OSU lost to NE and Purdue. While it is not a foregone conclusion WI would have beaten PSU and NE, I think odds were in their favor. Reality is we played with line-ups, started different OHs. We still won.
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 2, 2021 9:28:07 GMT -5
Well I'm sorry for that and appreciate you weighing in on the conversation in a meaningful way. Go in peace. I mean, really...go.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 2, 2021 9:33:54 GMT -5
I understand that and totally agree with the sacrifice. They obviously love the game. I don’t take away anything from Wisconsin. They’re obviously an incredible team but how do you award a conference championship to any team with a schedule like this? If it’s awarded to any team I understand why it would be Wisconsin but it just seems to diminish the value of it when you haven’t played quite a few teams. Can't help that Purdue didn't have Cleveland and that MN didn't have Shaffmaster and CC. We didn't have players as well throughout the season. We can't change the fact that MSU passed on the virus to us and caused us to miss matches with NE. We controlled what was on our side of the net. 14-0 dropping only a handful of sets. BY and large winning sets by significant margins. While I understand the argument that no one should win this season, that's not the parameter created by the BIG for competition this year. What's more, there wasn't a worthy team besides WI. MN lost to WI, NE. NE lost to MN and OSU. OSU lost to NE and Purdue. While it is not a foregone conclusion WI would have beaten PSU and NE, I think odds were in their favor. Reality is we played with line-ups, started different OHs. We still won. . It’s obviously very very important to you.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 2, 2021 10:03:24 GMT -5
I understand that and totally agree with the sacrifice. They obviously love the game. I don’t take away anything from Wisconsin. They’re obviously an incredible team but how do you award a conference championship to any team with a schedule like this? If it’s awarded to any team I understand why it would be Wisconsin but it just seems to diminish the value of it when you haven’t played quite a few teams. Can't help that Purdue didn't have Cleveland and that MN didn't have Shaffmaster and CC. We didn't have players as well throughout the season. We can't change the fact that MSU passed on the virus to us and caused us to miss matches with NE. We controlled what was on our side of the net. 14-0 dropping only a handful of sets. BY and large winning sets by significant margins. While I understand the argument that no one should win this season, that's not the parameter created by the BIG for competition this year. What's more, there wasn't a worthy team besides WI. MN lost to WI, NE. NE lost to MN and OSU. OSU lost to NE and Purdue. While it is not a foregone conclusion WI would have beaten PSU and NE, I think odds were in their favor. Reality is we played with line-ups, started different OHs. We still won. Like I said, Wisconsin did everything in their power and I believe would most likely have won if a full schedule played out. This is obviously much different given which matches were cancelled. I like to think of it as being awarded the big ten title more than earned big ten title. Rules are rules and based on that they will be conference champs, add it to the list of weird or crazy things that have occurred due to Covid.
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Post by vbkahuna on Apr 2, 2021 10:06:24 GMT -5
OK, WI gets my tip of the hat for winning the trophy under whatever rules and circumstances existed this year. Enjoy. But it doesn't necessarily get the unequivocal respect and acknowledgement that they did so by beating the best contenders for that trophy all equally playing one another.
In effect, I feel very much the same way I did in prior years about Pittsburg or BYU having an excellent team and a great record by beating maybe one or two tough competitors and a lot of weaker ones. WI essentially won the "B1G-Tier 2 & 3" Conference.
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Apr 2, 2021 11:45:11 GMT -5
Did Wisconsin deserve their title? 100%. Was there a clear difference in their scheduled matches played (in terms of difficulty) and other top teams? Yes, but that isn’t Wisconsin’s fault. I think most people knew coming into this season that conference championships had the chance to be greatly affected by covid cancellations (FYI I still think Wisconsin wins if there were no covid cancellations, but not undefeated).. We just have to hope the tournament isn’t greatly affected by covid Wisconsin played a more difficult schedule than Nebraska. Mmm no, not even close. Also, I didn’t bring up Nebraska’s schedule being harder in my first post (even though Nebraska’s was more difficult now that you bring it up). You’re clearly just posting to be a troll, but then again 90% of your posts are biased posts boasting about Wisconsin using the most obscure stats. But you do you 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by buckypete on Apr 2, 2021 11:54:28 GMT -5
This forum is really fun sometimes. Wait, no. I meant stupid. This forum is really stupid sometimes. That's what I meant.
ANYWAY Big Ten title clinched but there's a game in two hours. 1 seed likely but a loss may raise questions. What do people think, does Sheffield run the starters and go for the sweep or does he tinker and use different lineups?
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Post by Wiswell on Apr 2, 2021 12:13:13 GMT -5
He absolutely runs the starters. Remember how awful they were second half of first set. They need to continue to get in competition shape.
Also, why do people forget Hilley did not play against MN either?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 12:28:22 GMT -5
He absolutely runs the starters. Remember how awful they were second half of first set. They need to continue to get in competition shape. Also, why do people forget Hilley did not play against MN either? Probably because the change from Hilley to Hammill went smoother than Shaffmaster to McMenimen/Atherton and didn't require larger changes like running a 6-2 for a bit. But, it is a fair point. My only question on that Wisconsin-Minnesota match was why didn't they just play Monday in the Pav as well?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Apr 2, 2021 12:51:54 GMT -5
RELAX....Keep your eyes on the prize! In this screwed-up "season", the NCAA Tourney's the only thing. My edited response to Badger fanatics, re: this B1G "championship", still applies; who cares about such a corrupted, bastardized season's award? Win a natty, guys.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Apr 2, 2021 13:39:33 GMT -5
RELAX....Keep your eyes on the prize! In this screwed-up "season", the NCAA Tourney's the only thing. My edited response to Badger fanatics, re: this B1G "championship", still applies; who cares about such a corrupted, bastardized season's award? Win a natty, guys.That's the goal.
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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 2, 2021 13:56:55 GMT -5
Sheffield just said he will play his typical lineup. Trying to recover a rhythm of play is really important and there is little chance to do that this year.
White is saying they have to do better blocking the line on the left pin.
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Post by Kingsley on Apr 2, 2021 14:02:27 GMT -5
Paul Sunderland has returned.
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