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Post by lotstodo2023 on Jul 19, 2023 12:01:19 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Could be pre Shane... |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 19, 2023 12:01:29 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Maybe. The lawyer specifically cited an incident in the volleyball program. Whether it's true or not, I can't say. Edit: Here's the tweet that I couldn't post earlier when I was on mobile. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 19, 2023 12:13:52 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Everyone is ethical and highly respected until they're not. |
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Post by Kingsley on Jul 19, 2023 12:15:15 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Many said the same about Pat. |
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Post by haterade on Jul 19, 2023 12:16:47 GMT -5
And given the climate at that university, even properly investigated allegations are going to get lumped in with egregious cases to paint a narrative of institutional incompetence.
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Post by bprtbone on Jul 19, 2023 12:22:46 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Maybe. I'm on mobile, so I don't have the tweet in front of me, but the lawyer specifically cited an incident in the volleyball program. Whether it's true or not, I can't say. The unsubstantiated allegation here in 2021 was that Shane knew of hazing on the team but didn't intervene and that might have explained their forfeits to Indiana and why he was missing from the bench for a spell. The attorneys in the football hazing case look like they are trying to show this as a much larger problem in the athletic department encompassing other programs, including volleyball. Time will tell if a former volleyball athlete comes forward to shed more light on this. But there is a lot of smoke. |
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Post by Husker1794 on Jul 19, 2023 12:22:53 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Everyone is ethical and highly respected until they're not. The NU volleyball program is not connected with the football program. Shane’s program is perfectly ethical and shows no signs of misconduct. |
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Jul 19, 2023 12:40:43 GMT -5
But there is a lot of smoke. So far, you have shown no smoke. Please point us to that smoke if you're going to continue down this (non?) subject.
Edit: The reporter tweeting for the Athletic covers "college football, dogs and pro wrestling"...repeating a message from a lawyer who wants a bigger payout from NU, if he can scare up more complaints about the athletic department in time to add them to his allegations. That doesn't seem like smoke, but marketing.
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Jul 19, 2023 12:50:01 GMT -5
Shane and Maggie are 2 of the most respected, ethical people in the sport. No way does this touch volleyball. Does Donna Heinel work at NW? |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 19, 2023 13:01:48 GMT -5
Everyone is ethical and highly respected until they're not. The NU volleyball program is not connected with the football program. Shane’s program is perfectly ethical and shows no signs of misconduct. Well, of course it is connected. They're in the same athletic department with the same leadership. That doesn't mean anything else in and of itself, but defending something solely on its reputation is just as mis-guided as making accusations with no evidence. There is a slight allegation that has been made that the volleyball program is included/involved, but nothing else to corroborate. We'll see what happens if lawsuits are ever actually filed. |
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Post by haterade on Jul 19, 2023 13:10:57 GMT -5
The NU volleyball program is not connected with the football program. Shane’s program is perfectly ethical and shows no signs of misconduct. Well, of course it is connected. They're in the same athletic department with the same leadership. That doesn't mean anything else in and of itself, but defending something solely on its reputation is just as mis-guided as making accusations with no evidence. There is a slight allegation that has been made that the volleyball program is included/involved, but nothing else to corroborate. We'll see what happens if lawsuits are ever actually filed. There’s zero reason for Fitz’s lawyers not to dig in. There was an investigation of an allegation and Shane still has his job. They paint one of two stories. Either this investigation was half asses and the university isn't in control. Or Shane got due process that Fitz didn’t. Either way bolsters their case and what issues it causes Shane and company isn’t their concern. |
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Post by slxpress on Jul 19, 2023 13:15:16 GMT -5
The NU volleyball program is not connected with the football program. Shane’s program is perfectly ethical and shows no signs of misconduct. Well, of course it is connected. They're in the same athletic department with the same leadership. That doesn't mean anything else in and of itself, but defending something solely on its reputation is just as mis-guided as making accusations with no evidence. There is a slight allegation that has been made that the volleyball program is included/involved, but nothing else to corroborate. We'll see what happens if lawsuits are ever actually filed. Oh, lawsuits are going to be filed, and there’s going to be a settlement. That I feel 100% sure of. Doesn’t mean anything awful is going on in the volleyball program. Young women were hanged in Salem. Doesn’t make them witches. Also, anything posted on volleytalk has a limited effect. Aird would already be drawn and quartered if the volleytalk community had their way, and yet there he is. Still the head coach at Indiana. But litigation attorneys will try to bring anything and everything into the mix for a bigger settlement. Doesn’t make the accusations true or false. I just know if I were a Northwestern fan I would not want depositions with everyone and anyone being questioned under oath, and investigations being initiated left and right. Obviously no one wants an actually abusive program to exist, but there are a lot of gray areas in this stuff. A lot of sausage being made in college athletics. There’s a chance Northwestern gets made into a scapegoat here. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 19, 2023 13:15:21 GMT -5
Well, of course it is connected. They're in the same athletic department with the same leadership. That doesn't mean anything else in and of itself, but defending something solely on its reputation is just as mis-guided as making accusations with no evidence. There is a slight allegation that has been made that the volleyball program is included/involved, but nothing else to corroborate. We'll see what happens if lawsuits are ever actually filed. There’s zero reason for Fitz’s lawyers not to dig in. There was an investigation of an allegation and Shane still has his job. They paint one of two stories. Either this investigation was half asses and the university isn't in control. Or Shane got due process that Fitz didn’t. Either way bolsters their case and what issues it causes Shane and company isn’t their concern. Clearly a lot of things going on in many different areas that are still unclear. My point is simply that trying to make a definitive statement at this point is a fool’s game. |
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Post by slxpress on Jul 19, 2023 13:17:30 GMT -5
Well, of course it is connected. They're in the same athletic department with the same leadership. That doesn't mean anything else in and of itself, but defending something solely on its reputation is just as mis-guided as making accusations with no evidence. There is a slight allegation that has been made that the volleyball program is included/involved, but nothing else to corroborate. We'll see what happens if lawsuits are ever actually filed. There’s zero reason for Fitz’s lawyers not to dig in. There was an investigation of an allegation and Shane still has his job. They paint one of two stories. Either this investigation was half asses and the university isn't in control. Or Shane got due process that Fitz didn’t. Either way bolsters their case and what issues it causes Shane and company isn’t their concern. Heck, the attorneys for the students looking for that settlement money are going to dig, too. If they can make some kind of plausible argument it’s an institution issue rather than a football issue it ends up being a bigger settlement for sure. |
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 19, 2023 13:59:33 GMT -5
Maybe. I'm on mobile, so I don't have the tweet in front of me, but the lawyer specifically cited an incident in the volleyball program. Whether it's true or not, I can't say. The unsubstantiated allegation here in 2021 was that Shane knew of hazing on the team but didn't intervene and that might have explained their forfeits to Indiana and why he was missing from the bench for a spell. The attorneys in the football hazing case look like they are trying to show this as a much larger problem in the athletic department encompassing other programs, including volleyball. Time will tell if a former volleyball athlete comes forward to shed more light on this. But there is a lot of smoke. Yes, there was an incident that could be construed as hazing. But I believe the player in question stayed on the team, so it might be a moot point. And I believe the contention at that time was that Shane didn't know about it. On the other hand, sometimes people filing these suits want to make an example of everyone and everything, so nothing's impossible. |
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