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Post by trojansc on Apr 15, 2021 15:57:12 GMT -5
No, I want to correct something. I did not say I thought the PAC teams were stronger than the B1G teams. I thought there was no evidence to support the B1G teams being seeded over the PAC teams. But there is also no evidence for the PAC teams being seeded over the B1G teams. What *should* have happened is that the conferences were intermixed. But instead, a full FIVE B1G teams were seeded higher than the second PAC team. And frankly, that was outrageous. Just going to drop this here. The only thing I've come to understand on here is when the Pac12's bottom tier teams beat their "top" teams, it's due to "parity in the conference." When the B10's top teams struggle with their "bottom" teams, it's because they're "not as good as everyone thinks." The bias on this forum never surprises. The big ten is the strongest conference now, top to bottom. They may not always be, but for now they are. Not sure why so many are upset to admit it. (Actually, we might know why.) |
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Post by chicagosports on Apr 15, 2021 16:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by ted_heise on Apr 15, 2021 16:19:29 GMT -5
And if the PAC teams are better, do those matchups seem fair to you? Why should I assume the B1G teams are better? How did they do against common opponents? Oh, there were none. How did they do head to head? Oh, they didn't play. How did they do out of conference in general? Oh, they didn't play that either. And if, as seems probable, the PAC teams have a harder time advancing because they are playing tougher opponents, does that mean it was justified to give them tougher opponents? This whole tournament appears to be seeded with the goal of having four B1G teams meet in the Final Four (or possibly three plus Texas). I think all of the PAC teams should have to play BIG teams in the first round to make it fair. Love this! Seriously though, we’ll get to see on Sunday if Purdue warrants their 7 seed when they play 10 seed Oregon. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2021 16:49:40 GMT -5
Assuming PAC teams are as good as you claim (it's clear you believe they're the stronger conference) they'll advance and B1G teams would have to beat PAC teams to meet in the Final Four either way. Why the stress and worry? There's a lot of folks who love to believe their team/conference are the best, yet cry all over this forum over seeding, wish for certain teams to fail, etc. It's sounding insecure to me. Just enjoy the games y'all. No, I want to correct something. I did not say I thought the PAC teams were stronger than the B1G teams. I thought there was no evidence to support the B1G teams being seeded over the PAC teams. But there is also no evidence for the PAC teams being seeded over the B1G teams. What *should* have happened is that the conferences were intermixed. But instead, a full FIVE B1G teams were seeded higher than the second PAC team. And frankly, that was outrageous. Well if you start with the premise that the Big Ten and Pac-12 are of equal quality, there were 3 Big Ten teams with better records than the Pac-12 champion. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2021 16:51:56 GMT -5
What you just said answers the question from your first post.. It seems like you understand it perfectly, you just don't like it. For what it's worth, I don't know if he's right re: eye test. The committee and I saw pretty much eye-to-eye on most of the tournament seeds 1-48, if you do +/-2 , they're almost all within that range. There were about 4-5 relatively large differences that are easily explained by me putting more respect into looking into the resumes of Top 16 seeds (and the last at-larges) of who beat who in terms of significant wins/losses. The difference certainly could be eye test, but the math supports the idea that the regional advisory councils weren't influenced by the eye test, but the AVCA polls, which influence their own rankings. We both used 2019 RPI conference rankings as a major point -- except they thought the #2 conference was better, again, easily explained by AVCA polling. Could be eye test too, but I don't think so. Correlation ≠ causation Yes, it's possible the regional advisory committees were influenced by the AVCA Poll. OR coaches just generally agree about the the eye test and about things like 'Purdue is top 10 and Penn State is Top 15'. |
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Post by cindra on Apr 15, 2021 17:25:09 GMT -5
no upsets through 8 games
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Post by Kingsley on Apr 15, 2021 17:30:23 GMT -5
Chalk brackets are living large right now.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 15, 2021 17:30:25 GMT -5
no upsets through 8 games In my dream world, all these tournaments should be double elimination like softball and baseball are. I know it'll never happen. I'm just really curious to see how far the Dayton's, Pepperdine's, and San Diego's would make it in the loser's bracket. I like different matchups, they play a huge part in volleyball. |
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Post by pbmu on Apr 15, 2021 17:37:28 GMT -5
All seeds still hold... lets see what the second half has got for us
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 15, 2021 17:59:47 GMT -5
All seeds still hold... lets see what the second half has got for us So much volleyball left to be played! gotta slow down on my gin and tonics, the huskies made me very thirsty for the last two hours  |
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Post by bruinsgold on Apr 15, 2021 18:00:50 GMT -5
@avid -- Can I Venmo you for all your hard work? Do you have a Ko-fi? Would you like me to slay your arch nemesis? Protect your firstborn from pricking their finger on a spinning wheel so they don't fall into a deep sleep, cursed by a dark faerie who just wanted to be invited to the christening?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 18:01:48 GMT -5
@avid -- Can I Venmo you for all your hard work? Do you have a Ko-fi? Would you like me to slay your arch nemesis? Protect your firstborn from pricking their finger on a spinning wheel so they don't fall into a deep sleep, cursed by a dark faerie who just wanted to be invited to the christening? Josh Taylor got eliminated today. Im all good  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 18:05:58 GMT -5
my internet with the perfect "screw you im not going to work" timing. le sigh
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Post by bruinsgold on Apr 15, 2021 18:07:46 GMT -5
@avid -- Can I Venmo you for all your hard work? Do you have a Ko-fi? Would you like me to slay your arch nemesis? Protect your firstborn from pricking their finger on a spinning wheel so they don't fall into a deep sleep, cursed by a dark faerie who just wanted to be invited to the christening? Josh Taylor got eliminated today. Im all good  |
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Post by huskersrule95 on Apr 15, 2021 19:09:41 GMT -5
Wish they hadn’t put all 4 of the top seeds at same time slot, looking like going to have 4 sweeps and now going to have to wait awhile for next set of games
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