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Post by tamz on Apr 15, 2021 10:45:16 GMT -5
Do you know what the funding from USAV and the USOC is now? Is it still 40k a year, health, insurance, $3500 a tournament for travel per tournament and $1000 a month for coaching. This is around what is was per player in the top 4 players a few year a go. Then then players 5-8 is was around 32k a year then 8-12 the same per tournament if they make the main draw and the 12k a year. Yes, your numbers are way, way off. First, only the top 4 teams per gender get anything. The rest; nothing. Claes and Sponcil are 4th and they don’t get any travel paid for - if that tells you how far off you are. We just paid $5k for their hotel. Only top 2 get health coverage. We just paid everyone’s flights except the top 2 teams male and female. Why the top 2 are not a part of chasing gold. Everything is heavily weighed on the top 2 . We are paying Emily and Kelley’s hotel for the days they are not in the main draw. MD days are covered; all others are not. Every other day is out of pocket. Things have gotten worse for the athletes. Smaller purses. Less events. Less support. Just look at what’s going on at a Stanford. The AVP has been losing money year in and year out. Something has to change and that’s why Chasing Gold was formed Which of the points define a “top team”? Is it their entry points, their Olympics points, or their world rankings points? Because T2 were the 2nd ranked men’s team in Olympics ranking since Chetumal 2019 until Doha 2021.
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Post by taylorcrabb on Apr 15, 2021 11:25:13 GMT -5
Which of the points define a “top team”? Is it their entry points, their Olympics points, or their world rankings points? Because T2 were the 2nd ranked men’s team in Olympics ranking since Chetumal 2019 until Doha 2021. The system is very interesting. For this event; entry points. Their flights and hotel are not covered because they are the 3 team. For the stipend, that is reviewed quarterly. Currently, their stipend is based on world ranking of the second best. It gets dicey. But, the reality is there’s only an $800 difference between team 2 and 3, other than health insurance. As I understand it. The reality; it’s all for pennies. They all run losses expect those at the very top, have quality sponsors and win events. You take a 5th and you’re barely covering costs. The coaches are always out of pocket. If you have a full AVP season and win every event. You make about 50k after taxes. Less than your expenses When my wife came back to play; I lost $40k year one on coaching and expenses. Year 2; she had quality sponsors and we broke even covering her partners expenses and gave her money to free her time to practice and I found my wife was the highest income earner last season on sponsorships. It’s about creating value and that’s what I’m trying to do for these players. Sponsors come and go making it more challenging So, my wife’s “career” spans 2 years and we’ve lost $40k and she trains 6 hours a day. These are facts of the sport. How does anyone expect anyone else to survive? A quality coach costs $150-200 a day. You cut a deal and you’re $2500-3k a month. These are the realities Get your “facts” right please.
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Post by southbay11 on Apr 15, 2021 11:31:46 GMT -5
The system is very interesting. For this event; entry points. Their flights and hotel are not covered because they are the 3 team. For the stipend, that is reviewed quarterly. Currently, their stipend is based on world ranking of the second best. It gets dicey. But, the reality is there’s only an $800 difference between team 2 and 3, other than health insurance. As I understand it. The reality; it’s all for pennies. They all run losses expect those at the very top, have quality sponsors and win events. You take a 5th and you’re barely covering costs. The coaches are always out of pocket. If you have a full AVP season and win every event. You make about 50k after taxes. Less than your expenses When my wife came back to play; I lost $40k year one on coaching and expenses. Year 2; she had quality sponsors and we broke even covering her partners expenses and gave her money to free her time to practice and I found my wife was the highest income earner last season on sponsorships. It’s about creating value and that’s what I’m trying to do for these players. Sponsors come and go making it more challenging So, my wife’s “career” spans 2 years and we’ve lost $40k and she trains 6 hours a day. These are facts of the sport. How does anyone expect anyone else to survive? A quality coach costs $150-200 a day. You cut a deal and you’re $2500-3k a month. These are the realities Get your “facts” right please. I will ask to be updated. That’s why I stated “as I know” and have been told. Obviously, incorrect. So, I’ll defer to otjhers to answer. The information I have received in conversation is obviously wrong.
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Post by southbay11 on Apr 15, 2021 11:33:54 GMT -5
Yes, your numbers are way, way off. First, only the top 4 teams per gender get anything. The rest; nothing. Claes and Sponcil are 4th and they don’t get any travel paid for - if that tells you how far off you are. We just paid $5k for their hotel. Only top 2 get health coverage. We just paid everyone’s flights except the top 2 teams male and female. Why the top 2 are not a part of chasing gold. Everything is heavily weighed on the top 2 . We are paying Emily and Kelley’s hotel for the days they are not in the main draw. MD days are covered; all others are not. Every other day is out of pocket. Things have gotten worse for the athletes. Smaller purses. Less events. Less support. Just look at what’s going on at a Stanford. The AVP has been losing money year in and year out. Something has to change and that’s why Chasing Gold was formed Which of the points define a “top team”? Is it their entry points, their Olympics points, or their world rankings points? Because T2 were the 2nd ranked men’s team in Olympics ranking since Chetumal 2019 until Doha 2021. I’m obviously incorrect. So, never mind what I know because it’s not correct.
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Post by southbay11 on Apr 15, 2021 11:37:28 GMT -5
So USAV and the USOC cut funding from 2020? Do you know if it was due to Covid. I also know in the past they had talked about focusing there resources to the top 2/3 teams as the Olympics gets closer. Nick Phil and jake and Taylor are most likely the teams going on the men’s side. The A team and KWJ/ Brooke or Kelly Sarah on the women’s side. I think in 2019/2020 that’s the top 6 has full access to a trainer/gym/PT/coaching stipend/living stipend and around 7k per team per event for travel if you were in the main draw. CQ teams never got funding. It’s sad to see that’s charged. Hopefully your 501c3 helps and the funding comes back. I was obviously given wrong information on what USA does and doesn’t do so, I’m not the person to ask. I have no idea what they do. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 11:41:01 GMT -5
Athlete’s will be provided travel stipends for the followingevents: i. For FIVB Four (4) and Five (5) Star, Senior World Championship and World Tour Final events outside the United States provided the athlete meets the following minimum performance standard: • Are a current BNT athlete as defined in Section IV of the BNP Handbook OR finish 17th or better AND • Finish in the top four USA teams per gender. Please note, USAV will only fund a maximum of Four (4) teams per gender. ii. There will be no travel support for FIVB 1, 2 and 3-star events.
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Post by beachking on Apr 15, 2021 11:41:02 GMT -5
The system is very interesting. For this event; entry points. Their flights and hotel are not covered because they are the 3 team. For the stipend, that is reviewed quarterly. Currently, their stipend is based on world ranking of the second best. It gets dicey. But, the reality is there’s only an $800 difference between team 2 and 3, other than health insurance. As I understand it. The reality; it’s all for pennies. They all run losses expect those at the very top, have quality sponsors and win events. You take a 5th and you’re barely covering costs. The coaches are always out of pocket. If you have a full AVP season and win every event. You make about 50k after taxes. Less than your expenses When my wife came back to play; I lost $40k year one on coaching and expenses. Year 2; she had quality sponsors and we broke even covering her partners expenses and gave her money to free her time to practice and I found my wife was the highest income earner last season on sponsorships. It’s about creating value and that’s what I’m trying to do for these players. Sponsors come and go making it more challenging So, my wife’s “career” spans 2 years and we’ve lost $40k and she trains 6 hours a day. These are facts of the sport. How does anyone expect anyone else to survive? A quality coach costs $150-200 a day. You cut a deal and you’re $2500-3k a month. These are the realities Get your “facts” right please. Lol
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Post by ajm on Apr 15, 2021 11:44:30 GMT -5
Have you had any discussions with USAV about this endeavor? Were they cooperative, supportive, or indifferent?
Seems like there’s an opportunity for cross-promotion here since the goal seems to be a shared one. And maybe the AVP could get involved too.
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Post by tamz on Apr 15, 2021 11:48:45 GMT -5
Athlete’s will be provided travel stipends for the followingevents: i. For FIVB Four (4) and Five (5) Star, Senior World Championship and World Tour Final events outside the United States provided the athlete meets the following minimum performance standard: • Are a current BNT athlete as defined in Section IV of the BNP Handbook OR finish 17th or better AND • Finish in the top four USA teams per gender. Please note, USAV will only fund a maximum of Four (4) teams per gender. ii. There will be no travel support for FIVB 1, 2 and 3-star events. Based on this, all the athletes in Cancun right now are listed on the USAV BNT.
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Post by wyomingpancake on Apr 15, 2021 11:48:45 GMT -5
So USAV and the USOC cut funding from 2020? Do you know if it was due to Covid. I also know in the past they had talked about focusing there resources to the top 2/3 teams as the Olympics gets closer. Nick Phil and jake and Taylor are most likely the teams going on the men’s side. The A team and KWJ/ Brooke or Kelly Sarah on the women’s side. I think in 2019/2020 that’s the top 6 has full access to a trainer/gym/PT/coaching stipend/living stipend and around 7k per team per event for travel if you were in the main draw. CQ teams never got funding. It’s sad to see that’s charged. Hopefully your 501c3 helps and the funding comes back. I was obviously given wrong information on what USA does and doesn’t do so, I’m not the person to ask. I have no idea what they do. Lol lmao
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 11:52:49 GMT -5
Athlete’s will be provided travel stipends for the followingevents: i. For FIVB Four (4) and Five (5) Star, Senior World Championship and World Tour Final events outside the United States provided the athlete meets the following minimum performance standard: • Are a current BNT athlete as defined in Section IV of the BNP Handbook OR finish 17th or better AND • Finish in the top four USA teams per gender. Please note, USAV will only fund a maximum of Four (4) teams per gender. ii. There will be no travel support for FIVB 1, 2 and 3-star events. Based on this, all the athletes in Cancun right now are listed on the USAV BNT. yes, but they will only fund 4 per gender
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Post by southbay11 on Apr 15, 2021 11:54:25 GMT -5
Have you had any discussions with USAV about this endeavor? Were they cooperative, supportive, or indifferent? Seems like there’s an opportunity for cross-promotion here since the goal seems to be a shared one. And maybe the AVP could get involved too. The goal is to be viable and sustainable and execute the business plan. Many things have come and gone in the 20 years I’ve watched; frankly, I’m friendly with Sean but I haven’t said a word to him because we need prove we are viable and sustainable (the goal is Fall) then, I’ll see what he thinks. Once we bring in the first million and have some major players on board for a longer haul; we are no longer a start up. If I were him; I’d wait and see. The goal is to help some athletes on this Olympic journey and what’s going on this summer while we begin the talks with major foundations and billionaires to partner
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Post by tamz on Apr 15, 2021 12:28:07 GMT -5
Based on this, all the athletes in Cancun right now are listed on the USAV BNT. yes, but they will only fund 4 per gender 4 teams? Or 4 athletes per gender? The top 3 teams on the men’s side are Cribb, Dalcena and T2, so I’m a little lost to why T2 would not receive any funding. On the women’s side, I understand if Day/Hughes, and Reeves/Cannon didn’t receive funding, but why would Slaes not get any funding? They’re one of the top 4 teams.
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Post by southbay11 on Apr 15, 2021 13:15:59 GMT -5
yes, but they will only fund 4 per gender 4 teams? Or 4 athletes per gender? The top 3 teams on the men’s side are Cribb, Dalcena and T2, so I’m a little lost to why T2 would not receive any funding. On the women’s side, I understand if Day/Hughes, and Reeves/Cannon didn’t receive funding, but why would Slaes not get any funding? They’re one of the top 4 teams. Seriously, I don’t know. There’s a lot of fine print somewhere I’m sure with an answer. I don’t know if it’s Bc they aren’t in the main draw for this event or what. All I know is they didn’t. I can only guess it has to do with the fact they are in the CQ or Q for the event. I spent 3 hours going through the FIVB handbook last night with unanswered questions I still couldn’t answer so we emailed Sean to see if we could find answers. Again, I could be wrong. It’s 4 teams but it varies by position for funding. So, USA gives a stipend to 4 teams based on position. Then, I think you go by each event for travel and expenses for that event. That’s my best guess of what I’ve been told. Probably wrong.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 15, 2021 13:36:03 GMT -5
Like others, I think this is a great idea and kudos on already having so great an impact. Do you anticipate eventually making talent judgments regarding the participating players. For example, I look at the Cancun list and see certain players who I don't believe can compete at a high level. Without naming any players, I wonder whether who you fund will depend in part on evaluations of their potential or do you plan to stick mostly to points etc.
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