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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 17, 2021 12:40:21 GMT -5
I think passing is one of those elements of the game that can really vary a lot between matches for no apparent reason. Perhaps more that any other skill it is tied to the mind set of the player. I've seen good passers break down, and bad passers suddenly do well in a given match. Runs can be critical in a closely contested match. It's probably the single largest uncertainty I have going into any match. This one is no different.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 12:57:41 GMT -5
I think passing is one of those elements of the game that can really vary a lot between matches for no apparent reason. Perhaps more that any other skill it is tied to the mind set of the player. I've seen good passers break down, and bad passers suddenly do well in a given match. Runs can be critical in a closely contested match. It's probably the single largest uncertainty I have going into any match. This one is no different. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, "passing is 90% mental, the other half is physical". |
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Post by pelagius on Apr 17, 2021 13:00:22 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead and her staff have done an amazing job. I don’t understand why they haven’t developed better passers, however. Is passing a trait you’re born with, or can it be coached? Can you teach an undersized player how to block Flo Hyman? H. Olmstead and staff have been great since taking over in 2015 (I wouldn't want to trade her for basically any other coach). At this point, we've seen her and her staff do the following really well: + Recruit by BYU standards ... Olmstead is particularly successful at bringing in top Mormon talent. + Developing players as hitters and blockers. Both at the pin and the middle. + Her teams generally improve throughout the year. + She coaches around weaknesses really well <- Making it to the final four, when by the end of the season BYU was basically down to one pin hitter, was amazing + Her teams compete really hard. I do think the issue of identifying and bringing in good litles and developing passers is the one aspect we don't have a great handle on yet for H. Olmstead. So much of the passing part of the H. Olmstead era is co-identified with Mary Lake; the best passing libero in BYU history. In the first three years of the Mary Lake era BYU did have some nice litles to help Lake: Santiago and then Martindale. I am guessing that these struggles in passing are a temporary blip that we don't see persistently. Of course, BYU is unlikely to have as good as passer as Lake, but I suspect long term we will see Olmstead able to consistently bring or develop passers of he Santiago, Martindale, and Stetler quality. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 17, 2021 13:14:18 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead and her staff have done an amazing job. I don’t understand why they haven’t developed better passers, however. Is passing a trait you’re born with, or can it be coached?Hoping for the best for BYU, but Wisconsin doesn’t seem to have any weaknesses for BYU to exploit. But I can dream......... Oh, and Dana Rettke is amazing. yes, it can be. I think BYU needs to serve aggressively. Barnes and Loberg can break down in passing. I wouldn't serve Civita. (Has Haggerty been passing?) Haggerty is in the passing scheme for one rotation next to Loberg, but Loberg squeezes her in serve receive so she is almost like a decoy. The badgers have been passing three, unlike the end of last season when they were usually passing with 2. Loberg plays around and is the main OH passing option. She did OK last match, but it can be a match to match thing. MSU really exploited Loberg on a bad passing day, as did Illinois. The one set the gophers won against the badgers, they were able to exploit the seam between Loberg and Haggerty during Kilkelly's serve (I think), which led to a long run of points. I don't know what the badgers have done to rectify that weakness. It was really obvious. But on the other hand, it really only arose during that one set. I noticed in rewatching some of the Weber State match, that some of Hilley's OOS sets to Molly were running a little wide early on, which hampered what Molly could do early on in the match. While the badgers are doing better OOS, especially Loberg, things can go awry there. The badgers felt pretty confident in their defense which meant Molly didn't feel pressured to error. We'll see what happens against a better team. So those are the ways BYU could win sets. |
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Post by azvb on Apr 17, 2021 13:38:01 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead and her staff have done an amazing job. I don’t understand why they haven’t developed better passers, however. Is passing a trait you’re born with, or can it be coached? Can you teach an undersized player how to block Flo Hyman? H. Olmstead and staff have been great since taking over in 2015 (I wouldn't want to trade her for basically any other coach). At this point, we've seen her and her staff do the following really well: + Recruit by BYU standards ... Olmstead is particularly successful at bringing in top Mormon talent. + Developing players as hitters and blockers. Both at the pin and the middle. + Her teams generally improve throughout the year. + She coaches around weaknesses really well <- Making it to the final four, when by the end of the season BYU was basically down to one pin hitter, was amazing + Her teams compete really hard. I do think the issue of identifying and bringing in good litles and developing passers is the one aspect we don't have a great handle on yet for H. Olmstead. So much of the passing part of the H. Olmstead era is co-identified with Mary Lake; the best passing libero in BYU history. In the first three years of the Mary Lake era BYU did have some nice litles to help Lake: Santiago and then Martindale. I am guessing that these struggles in passing are a temporary blip that we don't see persistently. Of course, BYU is unlikely to have as good as passer as Lake, but I suspect long term we will see Olmstead able to consistently bring or develop passers of he Santiago, Martindale, and Stetler quality. I agree with everything you said. I wouldn’t trade Heather and her staff for anyone!!!!!!! Hope BYU will pay her accordingly. Mary Lake spoiled us all. I’ve been thinking surelyf the other Bower giirl will take Dalton’s place back row. But I guess she’s not what they thought she’d be? And yes, I could teach a short person how to block Flo Hyman 😉. |
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Post by Yvolley on Apr 17, 2021 13:47:46 GMT -5
Ok, so you’re suggesting the use of the word y’all doesn’t in any way relate to young people? That young people who aren’t from the south aren’t using it prevalently? Do you have google? What in the world are you talking about? If need be, Taylen can get good kills out of the back. Depends on if, the passing is holding up |
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Post by Yvolley on Apr 17, 2021 13:52:47 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead and her staff have done an amazing job. I don’t understand why they haven’t developed better passers, however. Is passing a trait you’re born with, or can it be coached? Hoping for the best for BYU, but Wisconsin doesn’t seem to have any weaknesses for BYU to exploit. But I can dream......... Oh, and Dana Rettke is amazing. Agreed that is a weakness of the olmsteads periodically. Developing better passing is absolutely critical |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2021 13:56:35 GMT -5
What in the world are you talking about? If need be, Taylen can get good kills out of the back. Depends on if, the passing is holding up Ballard-Nixon is effective enough out of the back row to keep teams honest (unlike in 2019 when Madi Robinson was just not a credible threat from the back row), but she's not Roni Jones-Perry or Jennifer Hamson. BYU had a lot more kills out of the back row from those superstars than they do now. |
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Post by pelagius on Apr 17, 2021 14:01:26 GMT -5
Mary Lake spoiled us all. I’ve been thinking surelyf the other Bower giirl will take Dalton’s place back row. But I guess she’s not what they thought she’d be? And yes, I could teach a short person how to block Flo Hyman 😉. I'm speculating, but I think two significant bad "shocks" to passing are the following: (1) I really think Olmstead thought that Madi Robinson was going to develop into a high level ball control OH, and (2) that Callie Whitney, as a jr college transfer, would be able to contribute like Martindale did when she came in (giving Olmstead more time to let Wee and M Bower develop). Obviously, neither of those two things happened. Hard to say if those were mistakes by Olmstead, or just bad luck, etc. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2021 14:08:51 GMT -5
Mary Lake spoiled us all. I’ve been thinking surelyf the other Bower giirl will take Dalton’s place back row. But I guess she’s not what they thought she’d be? And yes, I could teach a short person how to block Flo Hyman 😉. I'm speculating, but I think two significant bad "shocks" to passing are the following: (1) I really think Olmstead thought that Madi Robinson was going to develop into a high level ball control OH, and (2) that Callie Whitney, as a jr college transfer, would be able to contribute like Martindale did when she came in (giving Olmstead more time to let Wee and M Bower develop). Obviously, neither of those two things happened. Hard to say if those were mistakes by Olmstead, or just bad luck, etc. I think the fact that there were good passers on the 2018 team (Final Four aside) shows that Olmstead is not incapable of recruiting and/or developing good passers (remember, she was the recruiting coordinator for Shawn Olmstead). Just for whatever reason, this particular team doesn't have the best passers. I agree with your earlier comment that in the long run, whether with recruiting or development, Olmstead will likely be just fine in this department. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 17, 2021 14:48:31 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead and her staff have done an amazing job. I don’t understand why they haven’t developed better passers, however. Is passing a trait you’re born with, or can it be coached? Hoping for the best for BYU, but Wisconsin doesn’t seem to have any weaknesses for BYU to exploit. But I can dream......... Oh, and Dana Rettke is amazing. Agreed that is a weakness of the olmsteads periodically. Developing better passing is absolutely critical While you could never undervalue the importance of developing passers, what’s REALLY overlooked is the importance of recruiting passing. Basketball is very similar, coaches see great athletes and say “well, we can teach him to be a great shooter”. I can think of very few passers who came in as subpar or so-so passers and turned into really good ones. If a pin touches 10’3 and is a so-so passer they are big time recruits. If a kid touches 9’9 and passes great, not so much. The last 10 years Texas would have killed for a Janine Gremmel, they most likely wouldn’t recruit her today. IMO opinion coaches aren’t looking for players who can facilitate great point scoring. |
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Post by Yvolley on Apr 17, 2021 15:07:36 GMT -5
Can you teach an undersized player how to block Flo Hyman? H. Olmstead and staff have been great since taking over in 2015 (I wouldn't want to trade her for basically any other coach). At this point, we've seen her and her staff do the following really well: + Recruit by BYU standards ... Olmstead is particularly successful at bringing in top Mormon talent. + Developing players as hitters and blockers. Both at the pin and the middle. + Her teams generally improve throughout the year. + She coaches around weaknesses really well <- Making it to the final four, when by the end of the season BYU was basically down to one pin hitter, was amazing + Her teams compete really hard. I do think the issue of identifying and bringing in good litles and developing passers is the one aspect we don't have a great handle on yet for H. Olmstead. So much of the passing part of the H. Olmstead era is co-identified with Mary Lake; the best passing libero in BYU history. In the first three years of the Mary Lake era BYU did have some nice litles to help Lake: Santiago and then Martindale. I am guessing that these struggles in passing are a temporary blip that we don't see persistently. Of course, BYU is unlikely to have as good as passer as Lake, but I suspect long term we will see Olmstead able to consistently bring or develop passers of he Santiago, Martindale, and Stetler quality. I agree with everything you said. I wouldn’t trade Heather and her staff for anyone!!!!!!! Hope BYU will pay her accordingly. Mary Lake spoiled us all. I’ve been thinking surelyf the other Bower giirl will take Dalton’s place back row. But I guess she’s not what they thought she’d be? And yes, I could teach a short person how to block Flo Hyman 😉. been thinking the same thing about bower. Surely there is someone better than Dayton? that is the best they have??? |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2021 15:18:18 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said. I wouldn’t trade Heather and her staff for anyone!!!!!!! Hope BYU will pay her accordingly. Mary Lake spoiled us all. I’ve been thinking surelyf the other Bower giirl will take Dalton’s place back row. But I guess she’s not what they thought she’d be? And yes, I could teach a short person how to block Flo Hyman 😉. been thinking the same thing about bower. Surely there is someone better than Dayton? that is the best they have??? If Morgan Bower was outperforming Wee and/or Dayton, she would be playing. I don't think Olmstead plays favorites. M. Bower has gotten some playing time over the course of the season. She usually will come in for a few rotations, and then Olmstead will go back to Wee or Dayton. The one player on the team who might be capable of supplanting either of them is Taylor Hifo, but of course, she is also the only other setter on the team. Perhaps after Zayna Meyer arrives in the fall, Olmstead might experiment with playing Hifo as a defensive specialist. But for now, I think the team is what it is. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 17, 2021 15:29:58 GMT -5
Something to look out for, considering how many games these teams are going through this tournament -- the badgers could well bring on Demps for Haggerty if they think the intense run of matches could create wear and tear on Molly. They will want Molly to be physically OK for the finals should they get that far because of what she brings in attitude and skill. Jade has been really solid as a replacement all year. Since that position is largely out of the passing scheme, they could sub her in, giving Molly a rest without taking a hit to the passing. They gave Jade a few rotations at the end of the Weber State match. They are clearly getting her acclimated.
I think it's a stretch for this match, but I feel like they've been protecting Molly all season, so it's a possibility.
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Post by azvb on Apr 17, 2021 15:48:06 GMT -5
been thinking the same thing about bower. Surely there is someone better than Dayton? that is the best they have??? If Morgan Bower was outperforming Wee and/or Dayton, she would be playing. I don't think Olmstead plays favorites. M. Bower has gotten some playing time over the course of the season. She usually will come in for a few rotations, and then Olmstead will go back to Wee or Dayton. The one player on the team who might be capable of supplanting either of them is Taylor Hifo, but of course, she is also the only other setter on the team. Perhaps after Zayna Meyer arrives in the fall, Olmstead might experiment with playing Hifo as a defensive specialist. But for now, I think the team is what it is. I never meant to imply Heather plays favorites. I’m not in the gym, so I trust Heather feels Wee and Dayton are better than Bower. I’m just surprised. No conspiracy theories from me. |
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