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Post by basil on Apr 17, 2021 22:46:24 GMT -5
Didn't realize that Nuneviller was leading the team in kills, digs, and aces. Get her in a USA jersey please Karch.
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Post by werka on Apr 18, 2021 0:08:17 GMT -5
Didn't realize that Nuneviller was leading the team in kills, digs, and aces. Get her in a USA jersey please Karch. She’s gonna be the next Megan Courtney |
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Post by Volleyballer on Apr 18, 2021 0:24:41 GMT -5
Didn't realize that Nuneviller was leading the team in kills, digs, and aces. Get her in a USA jersey please Karch. She’s gonna be the next Megan Courtney I also think that Nuneviller has some pretty good tip coverage which I think USA struggles with. |
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Post by basil on Apr 18, 2021 0:29:06 GMT -5
Didn't realize that Nuneviller was leading the team in kills, digs, and aces. Get her in a USA jersey please Karch. She’s gonna be the next Megan Courtney Tbh...if Ulmer isn't overexaggerating and her jump touch is actually 10'2"...that's around 310 cm. Kelsey Robinson's recorded jump touch at the World Championships in 2018 was 307 cm and Jordan Larson's was 302 cm. Nuneviller is more than athletic enough to play OH at the highest level then. She doesn't have to be libero. I'd love to see her trying OH both professionally and for the national team. Just my thoughts though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 0:30:57 GMT -5
She’s gonna be the next Megan Courtney Tbh...if Ulmer isn't overexaggerating and her jump touch is actually 10'2"...that's around 310 cm. Kelsey Robinson's recorded jump touch at the World Championships in 2018 was 307 cm and Jordan Larson's was 302 cm. Nuneviller is more than athletic enough to play OH at the highest level then. She doesn't have to be libero. I'd love to see her trying OH both professionally and for the national team. Just my thoughts though. I sincerely doubt she touches 10 foot 2. She is an absolutely fantastic player though |
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Post by basil on Apr 18, 2021 0:32:47 GMT -5
Tbh...if Ulmer isn't overexaggerating and her jump touch is actually 10'2"... I sincerely doubt she touches 10 foot 2. She is an absolutely fantastic player though I definitely thought it might not be that high. Most coaches will bump that number up a little. But she does have some serious hang time, she's looked really awesome this season. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 18, 2021 0:49:01 GMT -5
I wish her the best except when she's playing against the Huskies, but....
At every "level" in sports, you find players who are good at everything but not necessarily *the best* at anything. Sometimes those players work out at "the next level" and sometimes they don't, because they end up competing with players who might not have been as good overall but who have a higher ceiling in the crucial individual skills that a team is looking for.
For instance, in high school it's quite common for the best pitcher on a baseball team to also be the best batter, simply because they are the best athlete. But by the time you get to the pros, every baseball player specializes into either hitting or pitching. It can still be valuable for a pitcher to be able to hit, but if a team is choosing between a guy who is a good pitcher and decent MLB hitter versus a guy who is a great pitcher but an automatic out at the plate, they are almost certainly going to take the great pitcher.
And if a great two-way player does make it to the highest level of competition, they will almost certainly have made it despite being an all-arounder, not because of it. Somebody like John Olerud, who was a star pitcher in college but played first base in the pros because it was his bat that got him onto the roster, not his arm.
Volleyball, because of the rotations, does favor all-arounders. So she's got more of a chance than in sports that really encourage specialization. But it's still a hard path.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 18, 2021 0:58:07 GMT -5
I wish her the best except when she's playing against the Huskies, but.... At every "level" in sports, you find players who are good at everything but not necessarily *the best* at anything. Sometimes those players work out at "the next level" and sometimes they don't, because they end up competing with players who might not have been as good overall but who have a higher ceiling in the crucial individual skills that a team is looking for. For instance, in high school it's quite common for the best pitcher on a baseball team to also be the best batter, simply because they are the best athlete. But by the time you get to the pros, every baseball player specializes into either hitting or pitching. It can still be valuable for a pitcher to be able to hit, but if a team is choosing between a guy who is a good pitcher and decent MLB hitter versus a guy who is a great pitcher but an automatic out at the plate, they are almost certainly going to take the great pitcher. And if a great two-way player does make it to the highest level of competition, they will almost certainly have made it despite being an all-arounder, not because of it. Somebody like John Olerud, who was a star pitcher in college but played first base in the pros because it was his bat that got him onto the roster, not his arm. Volleyball, because of the rotations, does favor all-arounders. So she's got more of a chance than in sports that really encourage specialization. But it's still a hard path. I don't really disagree, though I think volleyball is more similar to basketball or hockey than baseball. And even in baseball, I wouldn't compare pitchers to hitters. Nearly every hitter also has to play defense, though you can still be an MLB player as a specialist (DH, pinch hitter, left-handed reliever, etc.). It's hard to make it as a pro no matter what sport you're in. There are plenty of star college football and basketball players that didn't make it in the NFL or NBA. I do tend to agree that if you're going to make it at the pro level, you probably need at least one elite or near-elite skill. Of course, it also kind of depends on what one means by "pro." There are plenty of NBA and MLB washouts who have had success in weaker leagues overseas. |
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Post by memorybankrupt on Apr 18, 2021 1:00:07 GMT -5
She’s gonna be the next Megan Courtney Tbh...if Ulmer isn't overexaggerating and her jump touch is actually 10'2"...that's around 310 cm. Kelsey Robinson's recorded jump touch at the World Championships in 2018 was 307 cm and Jordan Larson's was 302 cm. Nuneviller is more than athletic enough to play OH at the highest level then. She doesn't have to be libero. I'd love to see her trying OH both professionally and for the national team. Just my thoughts though. Nuneviller can struggle terminating at the collegiate level. I can't see her making big waves internationally as an OH. I don't think she has the heat to become an elite intl OH. |
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Post by vergyltantor on Apr 18, 2021 2:01:26 GMT -5
I wish her the best except when she's playing against the Huskies, but.... At every "level" in sports, you find players who are good at everything but not necessarily *the best* at anything. Sometimes those players work out at "the next level" and sometimes they don't, because they end up competing with players who might not have been as good overall but who have a higher ceiling in the crucial individual skills that a team is looking for. For instance, in high school it's quite common for the best pitcher on a baseball team to also be the best batter, simply because they are the best athlete. But by the time you get to the pros, every baseball player specializes into either hitting or pitching. It can still be valuable for a pitcher to be able to hit, but if a team is choosing between a guy who is a good pitcher and decent MLB hitter versus a guy who is a great pitcher but an automatic out at the plate, they are almost certainly going to take the great pitcher. And if a great two-way player does make it to the highest level of competition, they will almost certainly have made it despite being an all-arounder, not because of it. Somebody like John Olerud, who was a star pitcher in college but played first base in the pros because it was his bat that got him onto the roster, not his arm. Volleyball, because of the rotations, does favor all-arounders. So she's got more of a chance than in sports that really encourage specialization. But it's still a hard path. I don't really disagree, though I think volleyball is more similar to basketball or hockey than baseball. And even in baseball, I wouldn't compare pitchers to hitters. Nearly every hitter also has to play defense, though you can still be an MLB player as a specialist (DH, pinch hitter, left-handed reliever, etc.). It's hard to make it as a pro no matter what sport you're in. There are plenty of star college football and basketball players that didn't make it in the NFL or NBA. I do tend to agree that if you're going to make it at the pro level, you probably need at least one elite or near-elite skill. Of course, it also kind of depends on what one means by "pro." There are plenty of NBA and MLB washouts who have had success in weaker leagues overseas. Unlike many sports where higher levels of competition allow for more specialization the opposite is true for Volleyball. If memory serves in international volleyball 12 subs per set are allowed while in NCAA volleyball there are 18 so a great hitter that can't play in the back row can be less valuable than a very good hitter who plays six rotations. At the Olympic level you want OH's that are great in all six rotations which explains why players like Jordan Larson and Kelsey Robinson are so successful while players like Mikaela Foecke struggle to start, all excellent hitters but Larson and Robinson are also great back row players. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 18, 2021 2:18:47 GMT -5
I could very easily foresee Nuneviller getting good pro contracts as an L2 while playing libero for Team USA. It would also give her access to higher levels of play and a better salary than a Team USA libero usually gets. The Robinson/Courtney model, but with a player who actually embraces that role.
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Post by basil on Apr 18, 2021 2:37:35 GMT -5
Unlike many sports where higher levels of competition allow for more specialization the opposite is true for Volleyball. If memory serves in international volleyball 12 subs per set are allowed while in NCAA volleyball there are 18 so a great hitter that can't play in the back row can be less valuable than a very good hitter who plays six rotations. At the Olympic level you want OH's that are great in all six rotations which explains why players like Jordan Larson and Kelsey Robinson are so successful while players like Mikaela Foecke struggle to start, all excellent hitters but Larson and Robinson are also great back row players. I believe it's 6 subs internationally while in NCAA it's 15. So yes, you do need to be extremely well-rounded for the international level. But Foecke's all-around game was capable, she just didn't have the same desire to continue professionally abroad (which there's nothing wrong with). |
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Post by basil on Apr 18, 2021 2:40:30 GMT -5
I could very easily foresee Nuneviller getting good pro contracts as an L2 while playing libero for Team USA. It would also give her access to higher levels of play and a better salary than a Team USA libero usually gets. The Robinson/Courtney model, but with a player who actually embraces that role. I mean...from what Robinson and Courtney have said in the past, it's hard physically to switch behind the roles and that it's hard to get your vert back/get your hitting rhythm back to where it was. I'm pretty sure I remember Nuneviller saying that as well. I'm just not very enthusiastic about players playing out of position like that. But if anyone has the skill to do it it's Nuneviller. Anyways I'm excited for the match tomorrow (or I guess it's today now). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 9:20:58 GMT -5
Tbh...if Ulmer isn't overexaggerating and her jump touch is actually 10'2"...that's around 310 cm. Kelsey Robinson's recorded jump touch at the World Championships in 2018 was 307 cm and Jordan Larson's was 302 cm. Nuneviller is more than athletic enough to play OH at the highest level then. She doesn't have to be libero. I'd love to see her trying OH both professionally and for the national team. Just my thoughts though. Nuneviller can struggle terminating at the collegiate level. I can't see her making big waves internationally as an OH. I don't think she has the heat to become an elite intl OH. nah. if her passing translates to the pro game, she's absolutely going to make her way up. The only thing more valuable than an OH that passes at an elite level is an opposite who terminates. Nuneviller will find her way to the top. I mean Gabi exists.  |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Apr 18, 2021 9:24:51 GMT -5
Nuneviller can struggle terminating at the collegiate level. I can't see her making big waves internationally as an OH. I don't think she has the heat to become an elite intl OH. nah. if her passing translates to the pro game, she's absolutely going to make her way up. The only thing more valuable than an OH that passes at an elite level is an opposite who terminates. Nuneviller will find her way to the top. I mean Gabi exists. If Ulmer says she touches 310, she probably touches 290 tops. Just saying. |
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