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Post by werka on May 22, 2021 21:28:55 GMT -5
Carlini should start
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Post by wcdiggs on May 22, 2021 21:29:28 GMT -5
She started vs. Belgium (3-0W), Bulgaria (3-0W), Dominican Republic (3-2L), Korea (3-1W) and Brazil (3-1L) in the VNL. Honestly, I think her best one was the opener vs. Belgium. Bulgaria and Korea were not playing their best players so those match ups heavily favored the USA. Carlini took over in week 4. I think she is the probably starter though, I think Poulter getting another 2 ish years of professional ball under her belt will be very nice to watch this summer. The team really does have a ton of depth right now at each position except for Libero. Poulter vs Carlini...who is the better setter? Who should be starting at Tokyo?  i feel like Poulter fits in the USA system a bit more than Carlini does but Carlini is better overall and has the intangibles 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by n00b on May 22, 2021 21:30:51 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match.
Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290)
Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119)
Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357)
Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550)
China (-476) vs South Korea (+324)
Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500)
Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196)
Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 21:33:01 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match. Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290) Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119) Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357) Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550) China (-476) vs South Korea (+324) Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500) Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196) Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899) this might be dumb, but how are these set? |
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Post by ironhammer on May 22, 2021 21:41:57 GMT -5
She started vs. Belgium (3-0W), Bulgaria (3-0W), Dominican Republic (3-2L), Korea (3-1W) and Brazil (3-1L) in the VNL. Honestly, I think her best one was the opener vs. Belgium. Bulgaria and Korea were not playing their best players so those match ups heavily favored the USA. Carlini took over in week 4. I think she is the probably starter though, I think Poulter getting another 2 ish years of professional ball under her belt will be very nice to watch this summer. The team really does have a ton of depth right now at each position except for Libero. Though Poulter started most (if not all) of the important matches at the 2019 World Cup. Carlini had never played in an event bigger than VNL, so it's not like Karch knows she's good so he's getting Poulter experience. CARLINI needed the experience too. It doesn't make sense to be to start Poulter for those matches if she wasn't #1 at the depth chart at the time. Um...never played in an event bigger than the VNL? She has played in the World Cup in 2019 when the US won sliver. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 22, 2021 21:55:19 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match. Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290) Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119) Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357) Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550) China (-476) vs South Korea (+324) Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500) Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196) Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899) What do the numbers mean? Do they translate into win/loss probabilities? |
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Post by n00b on May 22, 2021 21:55:56 GMT -5
Though Poulter started most (if not all) of the important matches at the 2019 World Cup. Carlini had never played in an event bigger than VNL, so it's not like Karch knows she's good so he's getting Poulter experience. CARLINI needed the experience too. It doesn't make sense to be to start Poulter for those matches if she wasn't #1 at the depth chart at the time. Um...never played in an event bigger than the VNL? She has played in the World Cup in 2019 when the US won sliver. That whole post was was talking about the 2019 World Cup. At the time, I remember people trying to justify why Carlini wasn't starting the big matches. It was all nonsense. She needed the experience as much as Poutler because it was her first major. So she must not have been #1 on the depth chart at that time. |
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Post by n00b on May 22, 2021 21:57:50 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match. Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290) Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119) Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357) Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550) China (-476) vs South Korea (+324) Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500) Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196) Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899) What do the numbers mean? Do they translate into win/loss probabilities? The favorite is the negative number and is the amount you need to bet to win $100. The underdog is positive and is the amount you'd win off a $100 bet. So if you bet on Netherlands, you need to bet $417 to win $100. If you bet $100 on Belgium, and they win, you win $290. |
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Post by ironhammer on May 22, 2021 21:58:54 GMT -5
Um...never played in an event bigger than the VNL? She has played in the World Cup in 2019 when the US won sliver. That whole post was was talking about the 2019 World Cup. At the time, I remember people trying to justify why Carlini wasn't starting the big matches. It was all nonsense. She needed the experience as much as Poutler because it was her first major. So she must not have been #1 on the depth chart at that time. Thanks for clarifying. Not no. 1 on the depth charts...at the time. Now? That might be a different story.  |
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Post by n00b on May 22, 2021 22:00:08 GMT -5
That whole post was was talking about the 2019 World Cup. At the time, I remember people trying to justify why Carlini wasn't starting the big matches. It was all nonsense. She needed the experience as much as Poutler because it was her first major. So she must not have been #1 on the depth chart at that time. Thanks for clarifying. Not 1 on the depth charts...at the time. Now? That might be a different story. ;) True. Who knows. We haven't seen them in a USA uniform in 19 months. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 22, 2021 22:15:21 GMT -5
What do the numbers mean? Do they translate into win/loss probabilities? The favorite is the negative number and is the amount you need to bet to win $100. The underdog is positive and is the amount you'd win off a $100 bet. So if you bet on Netherlands, you need to bet $417 to win $100. If you bet $100 on Belgium, and they win, you win $290. Thanks, very helpful |
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Post by trojansc on May 22, 2021 22:32:17 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match. Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290) Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119) Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357) Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550) China (-476) vs South Korea (+324) Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500) Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196) Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899) 2500 seems very steep for USA, especially equal to Brazil, that one makes a little more sense. Thailand seems a little extreme too. |
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Post by n00b on May 22, 2021 22:38:17 GMT -5
Early moneylines for Tuesday's matches. Bookies think Italy-Poland will be the most competitive match. Netherlands (-417) vs Belgium (+290) Turkey (-3333) vs Serbia (+1119) Germany (+259) vs Russia (-357) Japan (-) vs Thailand (+2550) China (-476) vs South Korea (+324) Dominican Republic (+974) vs USA (-2500) Italy (-256) vs Poland (+196) Brazil (-2500) vs Canada (+899) 2500 seems very steep for USA, especially equal to Brazil, that one makes a little more sense. Thailand seems a little extreme too. What's the latest on Thailand and their COVID situation? Is their A team playing? And the vig is pretty big on these lines since the bookies probably aren't super confident without any international volleyball being played for 18 months. DR +1000 seems about right. But I agree, I certainly wouldn't bet USA -2500. |
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Post by trojansc on May 22, 2021 22:54:08 GMT -5
2500 seems very steep for USA, especially equal to Brazil, that one makes a little more sense. Thailand seems a little extreme too. What's the latest on Thailand and their COVID situation? Is their A team playing? And the vig is pretty big on these lines since the bookies probably aren't super confident without any international volleyball being played for 18 months. DR +1000 seems about right. But I agree, I certainly wouldn't bet USA -2500. I don't who was their 'A' team, I just know some members are out with positive cases and some vets came back who were retired. I imagine some of their vets are still better than newcomers, but who knows what's happened in 18 months anyways. It's more of me thinking Japan just shouldn't be THAT heavy of a favorite vs. how good Thailand is. But yeah, that makes sense re: vig. I imagine there will be some pretty drastic changes even after the first matches alone are played. |
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Post by memorybankrupt on May 23, 2021 0:14:18 GMT -5
Um...never played in an event bigger than the VNL? She has played in the World Cup in 2019 when the US won sliver. That whole post was was talking about the 2019 World Cup. At the time, I remember people trying to justify why Carlini wasn't starting the big matches. It was all nonsense. She needed the experience as much as Poutler because it was her first major. So she must not have been #1 on the depth chart at that time. I like both but prefer Poulter. I’m glad Karch gave her experience in the World Cup. However I don’t agree with your logic of Poulter being #1 on the depth chart in 2019. Who started in the Olympic qualifier versus Bulgaria? It was Carlini. IMO that tips Karchs hand on who are his starters since the stakes are so high. |
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