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Post by huskyvolley on Apr 22, 2021 20:46:09 GMT -5
I think they should just use international rules (2 challenges per set, keep it if you are correct) for final four matches, because they actually have better quality cameras.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 20:46:18 GMT -5
Isn't it literally the refs job to make the right call? I mean yes they are humans and they make mistakes, but if there is an obvious call to be made and they don't make it like girl, what are you even being paid for lmao Right. The problem really isn't that Cook was out of challenges (of which he was 3/3), but it's that the refs didn't even make a good call when it was an obvious error. It shouldn't matter the scoreline or how well or not well either team is playing, it was a very big miss, period. This isn't really about which teams won or lost. Again, I expected Kentucky to win, I thought (and still do think) they are the better team. It's about these teams being comfortable knowing that the match was fairly refereed. I don't know anyone can walk away from this match thinking that was the case. |
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Post by VolleyballFella on Apr 22, 2021 20:46:49 GMT -5
No doubt that UW got robbed in that 3rd set. This should have been a 5 setter. Not only was the net not called on UK, but a foot-fault or two on UK wasn't called, and the double by Lilley toward the end of the set wasn't called. Cook was correct on every challenge. The first challenge was 4 touches. Seems kind of crazy that the refs didn't see these things on UK.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 22, 2021 20:47:33 GMT -5
Kentucky's passing is on another level Sad thing is that was the worst passing performance they gave had. Washington serves tough. |
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Post by WI FIB on Apr 22, 2021 20:47:54 GMT -5
NCAA men get to keep their challenges if they are right. I'll bet the women go to this during the next rules change cycle.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Apr 22, 2021 20:48:04 GMT -5
Lol! We love irritated Holly lol what happened I turned it off until the next game starts |
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 22, 2021 20:48:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but NCAA refs are way too arrogant to ever do that... I remember in 2011 USC/Illinois Semifinal 5th set there was a play where the linesman called a touch and Bateman went over to talk to the UP official and you could hear him say to her on ESPN 'there was CLEARLY no touch on that ball'. And when they ran the replay, sure enough, clear touch on the ball. Did Jupiter play indoor pro? I saw she was playing beach a few years back |
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Post by Mocha on Apr 22, 2021 20:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2021 20:50:52 GMT -5
The problem really isn't that Cook was out of challenges (of which he was 3/3), but it's that the refs didn't even make a good call when it was an obvious error. He was officially 2/3, although should have been 3/3. However, as Paul said, "players make mistakes, and refs make mistakes". Sure, the refs should have made that call. But they didn't. And yet, if there had been a challenge available, it would have been over with just one look. |
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 20:50:55 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem.
There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't!
I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing.
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Apr 22, 2021 20:51:45 GMT -5
lol what happened I turned it off until the next game starts hahahah I love that |
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Post by m on Apr 22, 2021 20:51:58 GMT -5
Not sure what the solution to the replay problem is. Obviously, if you challenge and are correct, you shouldn't lose a challenge, it's like tennis. That said, maybe the number of challenges should be lowered so coaches don't use them as time outs. this reminds me of the time BYU coach shawn olmstead used all 3 challenges in the 5th set against GCU. they got to keep any challenges they were right on. BYU won the set, by the way. |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 22, 2021 20:52:27 GMT -5
I remember in 2011 USC/Illinois Semifinal 5th set there was a play where the linesman called a touch and Bateman went over to talk to the UP official and you could hear him say to her on ESPN 'there was CLEARLY no touch on that ball'. And when they ran the replay, sure enough, clear touch on the ball. Did Jupiter play indoor pro? I saw she was playing beach a few years back She's stuck with beach forever now. Still going at it for Team France, but not lighting it up really. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 22, 2021 20:52:53 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. LOL this is such a bad post. Admit it was a bad error, sucks for Washington, and move on. You know why comebacks are hard? Because it's hard to stay clean - to not miss a serve, not have a blocker maul the net - when you're amped up and pressing hard point-to-point. Just have some empathy for a fanbase that got royally screwed there and enjoy playing in the finals. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Apr 22, 2021 20:53:02 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I would argue that a missed called at 22-20 will always have a bigger impact than at 1-0. You have the entire set to recover from a missed call at 1-0. Not very much room to do so later in the match. |
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