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Post by WI FIB on Apr 22, 2021 21:14:51 GMT -5
While you can’t always control the situation, you can control how you respond to it. I guess I have to call this out. The purpose of the challenge system is to get the calls right. It failed today, and not just because we didn't have fast cameras or because the plays were so ambiguous. It failed because the *system* *is* *stupid*. Everybody knows it's stupid not to be able to keep challenges you win. So why does the NCAA insist on this for WVB? The coaches and Administrators make the rules. Let's see if they paid attention tonight.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 22, 2021 21:14:52 GMT -5
Bad calls happen. It’s literally part of the game. I thought I saw a Washington net call not made as well as an EMP double that wasn’t called either. It’s a bummer I really do like Washington not my team but I usually root for them although not tonight simply cause I love Lilley and like seeing a new team take a crack at the title. Yup
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 21:15:00 GMT -5
I wasn't defecting. shhhhhh tried to argue that Kentucky outhit Washington therefore them winning the match wasn't the refs fault. I never said it WAS the refs fault, merely pointed out that hitting for a higher percentage doesn't always lead to winning. That's not deflecting, it's called proving someone wrong with evidence. Not when that proof is an outlier. Oh, well Creighton outhit Morehead State....Dayton outhit Washington...... Florida outhit Wisconsin and yet.....all of those outhit teams still won. Baylor massively outhit Pepperdine and Western Kentucky massively outhit Washington State, and both of those still went deep into the 5th set. And those are just matches that happened in the last week or so. My point is that just pointing at overall hitting percentage for the match does NOT always tell you the whole story. Plenty of teams have won having inferior hitting percentages, and plenty of matches end up going 5 with one team having a much higher hitting percentage. Also, just so we are clear here, Kentucky outhit Washington .314 to .243 in the second set...the set Kentucky LOST..... le sigh.....see, evidence.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2021 21:15:08 GMT -5
MLB, when they first gave teams video challenges, also had a rule that you didn't get to keep it even if you won. And you know what? They changed that rule in the middle of the season! It was immediately obvious that losing challenges even when the call is overturned was the wrong way to go.
Why is NCAA women's volleyball one of the only sports that doesn't seem to recognize this?
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Post by alhorford90 on Apr 22, 2021 21:17:12 GMT -5
Congrats to Kentucky.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Apr 22, 2021 21:17:27 GMT -5
If a 1-0 missed call affects a team for an entire set, then they have some deeper issues to address. While you can’t always control the situation, you can control how you respond to it. Maybe it doesn't affect them for an entire set. Maybe it affects them for 3 points, they go down 3-0, and then lose the set 25-23. That 1 point all of a sudden becomes huge. So then the problem to address as a coach is why did my team let a call lead to a run instead of siding out. As a Baylor fan, I understand the “what if” thoughts after a missed call given what happened to the women’s basketball team in their Elite Eight game against UConn. It sucks and at some point the frustration fades but then you can address the bigger question- what could we have done better to not be in a position where a missed call (which is a part of every sport) affected us?
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 21:23:24 GMT -5
LOL right? I'm supposed to be empathetic as a fan of a team that gets zero respect on this forum, just made their first National Championship, yet the entire match thread is marred with complaints about a missed call. "I won't recognize that someone else was treated unfairly because I want to feel like my accomplishments are so special and recognizing that unfairness could, obliquely, take away from that" - Everyone from the Midwest and South (Trumpistan) Insinuating fandoms are comparable to racial groups and that certain fans are suffering from the fandom equivalent of denying white privilege? Cute!
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 21:23:43 GMT -5
Everyone keeps talking about ONE CALL in that 3rd set. Am I wrong that UK wasn't faulted on MORE than one call? Wasn't that a pretty obvious double over the net by Lilley toward the end of the 3rd set? Didn't I see AT LEAST one foot fault on UK (if not 2)? It wasn't pretty reffing, period. Not saying that cost Washington the match. They certainly didn't look sharp enough in the 1st and 4th sets, but the 2nd and 3rd sets were some interesting calls/no calls, and who knows what could have happened if this went 5. Either way, I'm happy for Kentucky, and am pulling for a new champion now that Washington is out.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2021 21:24:10 GMT -5
So then the problem to address as a coach is why did my team let a call lead to a run instead of siding out This has already been asked and answered. Why are runs hard? Because you have to stay error-free for point after point after point while you are making them. Thus, it's actually quite significant if the team on a run does make an error but are allowed to keep going on the run anyway.
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Post by pbmu on Apr 22, 2021 21:26:44 GMT -5
Congrats Kentucky
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Post by houstonbear15 on Apr 22, 2021 21:29:16 GMT -5
So then the problem to address as a coach is why did my team let a call lead to a run instead of siding out This has already been asked and answered. Why are runs hard? Because you have to stay error-free for point after point after point while you are making them. Thus, it's actually quite significant if the team on a run does make an error but are allowed to keep going on the run anyway. I agree with you but the comment was made regarding an error at 1-0 rather than 22-20, which would have been more impactful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:30:27 GMT -5
LOL right? I'm supposed to be empathetic as a fan of a team that gets zero respect on this forum, just made their first National Championship, yet the entire match thread is marred with complaints about a missed call. "I won't recognize that someone else was treated unfairly because I want to feel like my accomplishments are so special and recognizing that unfairness could, obliquely, take away from that" - Everyone from the Midwest and South (Trumpistan) Personal attacks. Good for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:31:39 GMT -5
Really unfortunate that this huge win from a program is forever going to be doubted by some posters because of an officiating mistake. Anyway. WE ARE GOING TO THE NC
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 21:33:00 GMT -5
Not when that proof is an outlier. Oh, well Creighton outhit Morehead State....Dayton outhit Washington...... Florida outhit Wisconsin and yet.....all of those outhit teams still won. Baylor massively outhit Pepperdine and Western Kentucky massively outhit Washington State, and both of those still went deep into the 5th set. And those are just matches that happened in the last week or so. My point is that just pointing at overall hitting percentage for the match does NOT always tell you the whole story. Plenty of teams have won having inferior hitting percentages, and plenty of matches end up going 5 with one team having a much higher hitting percentage. Also, just so we are clear here, Kentucky outhit Washington .314 to .243 in the second set...the set Kentucky LOST..... le sigh.....see, evidence. You're self-selecting evidence. There is absolutely a correlation between winning and having a higher hitting percentage. When that difference is .130? That's going to be a very very strong correlation. No one said the team who hits for a higher percentage ALWAYS wins. But it's a pretty good predictor, especially when that difference is .130.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:37:08 GMT -5
if kentucky wins this game, i hope they get absolutely pummelled in the final. the refs completely botched that set you hope they get pummeled Bc of the reffing ? Something they don’t Control?
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