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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 20:53:17 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I haven't seen anyone blame a single call for why Washington lost this match. But nice defection, nonetheless.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 20:54:00 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. LOL this is such a bad post. Admit it was a bad error, sucks for Washington, and move on. You know why comebacks are hard? Because it's hard to stay clean - to not miss a serve, not have a blocker maul the net - when you're amped up and pressing hard point-to-point. Just have some empathy for a fanbase that got royally screwed there and enjoy playing in the finals. +100000
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Post by timduckforlife on Apr 22, 2021 20:54:45 GMT -5
Isn't it literally the refs job to make the right call? I mean yes they are humans and they make mistakes, but if there is an obvious call to be made and they don't make it like girl, what are you even being paid for lmao Right. The problem really isn't that Cook was out of challenges (of which he was 3/3), but it's that the refs didn't even make a good call when it was an obvious error. It shouldn't matter the scoreline or how well or not well either team is playing, it was a very big miss, period. This isn't really about which teams won or lost. Again, I expected Kentucky to win, I thought (and still do think) they are the better team. It's about these teams being comfortable knowing that the match was fairly refereed. I don't know anyone can walk away from this match thinking that was the case. Someone brought up something about replays in the final minutes are all by ref review. Leads me to, rethinking the replay system. What people, and me are saying is win it/keep it. That seems obvious. But internationally with insanely better cameras, they get 2 to 3 per set, and still have win it/keep it. Thus, the ncaa challenge system with vastly inferior cameras, they only have 3 per match. That's woefully inadequate. They need to implement 2 to 3 per set with win it/keep it.
I also thought that maybe like the 2 minute rule in football, maybe implement automatic challenges when one team gets to 20.
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Post by 91red91 on Apr 22, 2021 20:55:23 GMT -5
Feel like I just watched someone get robbed. No horse in this race, just yuck. Not Kentucky's fault of course, just yuck. “Robbed”? C’mon... Haven't ever been robbed personally, aside from my lunch money, but I saw it happen to someone on the internet before. Was like watching that, yes.
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Post by vbprisoner on Apr 22, 2021 20:56:12 GMT -5
I think Washington was lucky to come back and win the 2nd set. Kentucky should have won 3-0 but took their foot off the gas. They cannot afford to do that against Wisconsin or Texas.
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 20:56:16 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I would argue that a missed called at 22-20 will always have a bigger impact than at 1-0. You have the entire set to recover from a missed call at 1-0. Not very much room to do so later in the match. Doesn't matter. Volleyball is a consequential game. If that 1-0 call affects you more than that call at 22-20, it will have a bigger impact. Thing is, we'll never know.
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 20:56:51 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I haven't seen anyone blame a single call for why Washington lost this match. But nice defection, nonetheless. yikes read the thread and talk about deflection bringing up the Louisville-Texas game LOL
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Post by justahick on Apr 22, 2021 20:56:58 GMT -5
I get the anger about the missed call, but this a problem of procedure and process rather than bad officiating.
R1 us trained to watch the top of the net during the attack and the immediately leave the net and find the dig, so there is no way for R1 to make this call.
R2 is a little more on the hook, but the process they are trained on is top of the net during the attack, then bottom. Of the net and center line.
It is very unusual for a blocker to net at the Top as late as she did, that is why the training is to focus on the bottom and the center line after the attackers hand clears the net.
The next obvious question is why can't they watch it all? The answer is because reffing is different than watching a match. You need to constantly shift you focus to get to you next specific area of responsibility. Very different than watching the whole court.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 22, 2021 20:57:30 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I haven't seen anyone blame a single call for why Washington lost this match. But nice defection, nonetheless. I'm complaining about the call, and it's not the reason they lost. That's the point. We'll never know. I haven't seen anyone say Kentucky wouldn't come down from 23-20, nor that it's the reason why Washington lost. And it sucks that Kentucky didn't have the chance to prove they would have still won that set that now that its a hypothetical. If they could go from 22-16 to 22-20, absolutely they could have continued that. It just sucks MORE for Washington, for obvious reasons.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 20:58:34 GMT -5
I think Washington was lucky to come back and win the 2nd set. Kentucky should have won 3-0 but took their foot off the gas. They cannot afford to do that against Wisconsin or Texas. I agree with this. Washington upped the pressure and Kentucky folded for the second half of the 2nd set and much of the 3rd. Wisconsin and Texas has too many weapons too have Kentucky get into that much of negative pattern.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Apr 22, 2021 20:58:42 GMT -5
Bad calls happen. It’s literally part of the game. I thought I saw a Washington net call not made as well as an EMP double that wasn’t called either. It’s a bummer I really do like Washington not my team but I usually root for them although not tonight simply cause I love Lilley and like seeing a new team take a crack at the title.
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Post by timduckforlife on Apr 22, 2021 20:59:20 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. I haven't seen anyone blame a single call for why Washington lost this match. But nice defection, nonetheless. no one is really saying that UK wouldn't have won set 3, just that they were on a huge serving run and a change there would've widely impacted the score. What everyone is doing though is decrying the current replay system and that it inadequate for the game as it is today and offering suggestions to make it better and fairer.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 22, 2021 20:59:45 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone blame a single call for why Washington lost this match. But nice defection, nonetheless. yikes read the thread and talk about deflection bringing up the Louisville-Texas game LOL I wasn't deflecting. shhhhhh tried to argue that Kentucky outhit Washington therefore them winning the match wasn't the refs fault. I never said it WAS the refs fault, merely pointed out that hitting for a higher percentage doesn't always lead to winning. That's not deflecting, it's called proving someone wrong with evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:00:07 GMT -5
Every single coach is given 3 challenges, and challenge management is part of the game. Coaches do not challenge every single call they think that was missed, as Cook did in the first half of the game. That was a risk, and it didn't pay off. He is not the first coach to run into this problem. There are also missed calls in every game. Some are noticeable, some aren't, but that doesn't really matter in terms of "fairness." And because of the way volleyball works, a missed call at 1-0 could have just as big of an impact on the game as a missed call at 22-20. There are zero guarantees Washington wins that set -- in fact, I wager they don't! I'm so proud of UK and pissed that certain posters are blaming a single call on the team that was playing worse, losing. Just have some empathy for a fanbase that got royally screwed there and enjoy playing in the finals. For the fans that talked all that sh*t about Minnesota’s loss to Pitt... lol yea no Empathy. PAC fans are just such victims
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Post by donut on Apr 22, 2021 21:00:22 GMT -5
yikes read the thread and talk about deflection bringing up the Louisville-Texas game LOL I wasn't defecting. shhhhhh tried to argue that Kentucky outhit Washington therefore them winning the match wasn't the refs fault. I never said it WAS the refs fault, merely pointed out that hitting for a higher percentage doesn't always lead to winning. That's not deflecting, it's called proving someone wrong with evidence. Not when that proof is an outlier.
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