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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:46:45 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 30, 2021 18:50:31 GMT -5
I'm going to say it, Washington Spring 2021 was the most unathletic team that made the final four that I've ever seen. Though they return everyone they don't have the higher ceiling than those like a Nebraska, Oregon, Stanford, Penn State, etc. Well, if the best athletes is the determining factor for who wins and loses, we may as well hand over the trophy to Texas every year and forego playing a VB season. Good thing we play the matches. What was Oregon's ceiling like in 2019? top 10 nationally. Didn't stop that disaster 9-20 season. While I certainly think that Washington was very close to a completely different record, and, given the opportunity to play round robin, I don't think they are markedly better than probably 15-20 teams out there, one doesn't play in the Pac 12, make a final four, end the season with 20-4 record without having athletic players.
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Post by After Dawn on Apr 30, 2021 19:00:42 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat. For sure. But they can also be beat in the early roundso f the tournament. And I'm not taking away their accomplishments from this past spring btw, its just that I see other teams having more potential than this same exact Washington team that struggled to get to the final four period.
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Post by Vball Fandom on Apr 30, 2021 19:13:52 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat. For sure. But they can also be beat in the early roundso f the tournament. And I'm not taking away their accomplishments from this past spring btw, its just that I see other teams having more potential than this same exact Washington team that struggled to get to the final four period. Washington struggled, but made it and frankly was a play or two away from giving themselves a great chance to reach the final. The teams you mentioned earlier struggled and didn't make the final four. Personally, I will take a team with all the players coming back...and also adding a few key additions over teams that are moving players in and out like chess pieces. Chemistry and culture matter. Some of these top programs you mentioned, have a different group of kids every year it seems. I am not sure that is the recipe for success with all the parity now in college volleyball.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Apr 30, 2021 19:47:02 GMT -5
I'm going to say it, Washington Spring 2021 was the most unathletic team that made the final four that I've ever seen. Though they return everyone they don't have the higher ceiling than those like a Nebraska, Oregon, Stanford, Penn State, etc. Well, they're not ballet dancers, but few hit a harder ball than Drechsel or Endsley, and Hoffman isn't far behind.
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Post by Huskyfan on Apr 30, 2021 20:33:00 GMT -5
I'm going to say it, Washington Spring 2021 was the most unathletic team that made the final four that I've ever seen. Though they return everyone they don't have the higher ceiling than those like a Nebraska, Oregon, Stanford, Penn State, etc. They certainly are not the fastest movers or the highest jumpers out there, but they were ultimately successful this past season by excelling in other aspects of the game like strategic serving, good blocking, good out of system hitting, good team chemistry and the never say die attitude. With improvement in passing and defense, they can play more in system volleyball and be an even more formidable opponent.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 30, 2021 20:53:59 GMT -5
Y'all keep saying "UW is returning everyone" as if they aren't losing one of their most iconic players in program history to graduation. Put some respect on Bogomolova's name. I've had a soft spot for Maria since she showed up, and I've really appreciated how hard she worked at becoming essentially a serving sub even though it was clear from the start that her goal was to be a pin hitter, and she apparently overcame a lot of injuries and difficulties due to being from Russia, but she's hardly "one of the most iconic players in program history". I'm glad she came and I'm glad she stayed, but you make yourself look ridiculous by overstating her impact with such hyperbole. That serving run at the end of the Louisville match may well be an iconic moment in program history, particularly because it led to a Final Four appearance. But even with that, I was at the match where Vansant got injured at the start of the fourth set and Gabbi Parker came in to replace her and the Huskies saved 14 match points for a five-set win against Oregon (who went on to the national finals that year). 26- -16 -21 32- 25-. I mean, just look at that scoreline, and realize they won those last two sets after Eugene native Gabbi Parker replaced an injured Krista Vansant. I'm sure Maria will be missed, but if there is anything Cook has shown us it is that he is really good at developing great servers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 20:58:38 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat. For sure. But they can also be beat in the early roundso f the tournament. And I'm not taking away their accomplishments from this past spring btw, its just that I see other teams having more potential than this same exact Washington team that struggled to get to the final four period. 'Potential' is the most overrated concept in all of sports. Potential counts for nothing if you can't turn it into results. This UW team wins. Give me that over 'potential' any day of the week.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Apr 30, 2021 22:28:04 GMT -5
Come to think of it, outside of Hentz, I don't recall Stanford's last NC team as being extremely athletic. They were tall with a high VB IQ which seemed to do the trick.
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Post by n00b on Apr 30, 2021 22:40:34 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat. You get lots of practice at that when your libero can't pass.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 22:50:51 GMT -5
Anyone doubting UW is undervaluing the importance of OOS offense. Washington had one of the best OOS offenses in the country this spring. That alone makes them tough to beat. You get lots of practice at that when your libero can't pass. All that practice didn't help the B1G OOS.
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Post by isaacspaceman on May 1, 2021 0:13:31 GMT -5
I was at the match where Vansant got injured at the start of the fourth set and Gabbi Parker came in to replace her and the Huskies saved 14 match points for a five-set win against Oregon (who went on to the national finals that year). 26- -16 -21 32- 25-. That was the most thrilling match ever. I loved Parker and thought she never got the shot she deserved. She did the same thing at a match at Cal that my son and I saw. I can’t remember why Vansant want was out (may have been the weekend after your Oregon match) but the Huskies went down 0-2 and then Parker clawed them back to a win. Those are the kinds of matches that will endear a player to you forever. I think it was my son’s first live match.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on May 1, 2021 1:00:28 GMT -5
Y'all keep saying "UW is returning everyone" as if they aren't losing one of their most iconic players in program history to graduation. Put some respect on Bogomolova's name. I've had a soft spot for Maria since she showed up, and I've really appreciated how hard she worked at becoming essentially a serving sub even though it was clear from the start that her goal was to be a pin hitter, and she apparently overcame a lot of injuries and difficulties due to being from Russia, but she's hardly "one of the most iconic players in program history". I'm glad she came and I'm glad she stayed, but you make yourself look ridiculous by overstating her impact with such hyperbole. That serving run at the end of the Louisville match may well be an iconic moment in program history, particularly because it led to a Final Four appearance. But even with that, I was at the match where Vansant got injured at the start of the fourth set and Gabbi Parker came in to replace her and the Huskies saved 14 match points for a five-set win against Oregon (who went on to the national finals that year). 26- -16 -21 32- 25-. I mean, just look at that scoreline, and realize they won those last two sets after Eugene native Gabbi Parker replaced an injured Krista Vansant. I'm sure Maria will be missed, but if there is anything Cook has shown us it is that he is really good at developing great servers. My comment wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously. I'm obviously not comparing Bogomolova to someone like Vansant lol
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Post by redbeard2008 on May 1, 2021 12:26:11 GMT -5
Mike, you usually have better reading comprehension. I really hate that line where someone disagrees with a poster or calls them out, and they cry "reading comprehension". I'm certainly not saying it is so in this case, but sometimes it is fully justified, when someone ignores, twists, or inverts what you've clearly reiterated several times over. In such a case, an enquiry into someone's "reading comprehension" verges almost on a politeness. I'd be more tempted, since such obtuseness is almost always intentional, to retort -- "Can't you read, you moron!" On the other hand, an open-ended, "What's your f*cking problem?", might be more appropriate and effective. Some, of course, utilize it as a bullying tactic. 1
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Post by redbeard2008 on May 1, 2021 12:33:42 GMT -5
Come to think of it, outside of Hentz, I don't recall Stanford's last NC team as being extremely athletic. They were tall with a high VB IQ which seemed to do the trick. By athleticism I think quickness and elevation is generally meant. Being very tall, and coordinated, can diminish the need.
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