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Post by Not Me on May 6, 2021 22:27:05 GMT -5
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Post by vbnerd on May 6, 2021 22:40:26 GMT -5
If accepted by the NCAA, 2021 would be the last scholarshipped class. 2024 any remaining scholarship athlete will have to choose between the scholarship and bring an athlete. 2025 the become a full D3 member. And I think the AE is at risk of losing their AQ unless they can turn someone. www.hartford.edu/about/athletics-transition.aspx
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 6:30:44 GMT -5
were they really investing that much to begin with?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 8:02:53 GMT -5
Huh? The AE will still have 9 schools.
You're effing kidding me ... that 3 of those schools *don't even have a women's volleyball team* !!! Seriously, what the heck??
Let me guess, they have field hockey teams instead. A sport literally no one cares about and very few play in the country. Just silly
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Post by vboldskool on May 7, 2021 8:07:01 GMT -5
Huh? The AE will still have 9 schools. You're effing kidding me ... that 3 of those schools *don't even have a women's volleyball team* !!! Seriously, what the heck?? Let me guess, they have field hockey teams instead. A sport literally no one cares about and very few play in the country. Just silly No disrespect, but field hockey teams are typically much larger rosters which in the world of athletic enrollment management means more $$$. The pandemic will hasten what has been coming for a while in a re-calibration of college athletics. The rich will be fine, everyone else...brace for impact.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 8:15:53 GMT -5
No disrespect, but field hockey teams are typically much larger rosters which in the world of athletic enrollment management means more $$$. The pandemic will hasten what has been coming for a while in a re-calibration of college athletics. The rich will be fine, everyone else...brace for impact. The three that don't are all public schools (Maine, Vermont, UMass-Lowell). None of them "need" an extra 10-20 bodies to sustain the campus financial operation. On the other hand, wouldn't adding women's volleyball add even more enrollment? It's a relatively cheap sport, in terms of needing a facility (already have an arena), and costs associated with the sport (mostly just balls, uniforms, and shoes ... very little equipment, pads, etc.). Helps out with Title IX. I really am failing to see the down side.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 7, 2021 8:26:36 GMT -5
That's Hockey/Lacrosse country up there.
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Post by vboldskool on May 7, 2021 8:46:11 GMT -5
No disrespect, but field hockey teams are typically much larger rosters which in the world of athletic enrollment management means more $$$. The pandemic will hasten what has been coming for a while in a re-calibration of college athletics. The rich will be fine, everyone else...brace for impact. The three that don't are all public schools (Maine, Vermont, UMass-Lowell). None of them "need" an extra 10-20 bodies to sustain the campus financial operation. On the other hand, wouldn't adding women's volleyball add even more enrollment? It's a relatively cheap sport, in terms of needing a facility (already have an arena), and costs associated with the sport (mostly just balls, uniforms, and shoes ... very little equipment, pads, etc.). Helps out with Title IX. I really am failing to see the down side. All schools - state or private - need enrollment. Just because state schools, doesn't mean those athletic departments are funded by state dollars, many if not most aren't. They need the student fees and auxiliary dollars created by student population. Heads in beds, butts in seats.
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Post by chenny11 on May 7, 2021 8:52:57 GMT -5
Is it common for a school to drop all the way down to D3 from D1? That just seems odd to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 9:20:48 GMT -5
That's Hockey/Lacrosse country up there. Six of the remaining AE schools (all public), including New Hampshire, still do manage to have a women's indoor team though. Seems very doable.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 9:21:43 GMT -5
They need the student fees and auxiliary dollars created by student population. Heads in beds, butts in seats. Is this an argument for or against adding women's volleyball?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 9:46:23 GMT -5
No disrespect, but field hockey teams are typically much larger rosters which in the world of athletic enrollment management means more $$$. The pandemic will hasten what has been coming for a while in a re-calibration of college athletics. The rich will be fine, everyone else...brace for impact. The three that don't are all public schools (Maine, Vermont, UMass-Lowell). None of them "need" an extra 10-20 bodies to sustain the campus financial operation. On the other hand, wouldn't adding women's volleyball add even more enrollment? It's a relatively cheap sport, in terms of needing a facility (already have an arena), and costs associated with the sport (mostly just balls, uniforms, and shoes ... very little equipment, pads, etc.). Helps out with Title IX. I really am failing to see the down side. UMass Lowell cut Women’s Volleyball after the 2018 season
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Post by vbnerd on May 7, 2021 9:46:31 GMT -5
Is it common for a school to drop all the way down to D3 from D1? That just seems odd to me. Birmingham Southern went from D3 to D1, and from what I was told, one of the board of trustees looked at the scholarship budget and pointed out - "we have 256 (I may be off on the number) full athletic scholarships. How many full academic scholarships do we offer?" And the answer was single digits, I want to say it was like 3. And the subsequent conversation led them back to D3, but from what I was told it was more philosophical - we are here to educate, not play sports, and the priorities in the budget should reflect that. Hartford's situation seems very much a financial decision. And in the northeast I think it makes a lot of sense. They send teams to Maine and Baltimore and spend a lot on hotels. If they play in a New England conference not only can they repurpose or cut those scholarships, but they are going to save loads on travel, and presumably salaries (EADA reports averages of 6 figures for head coaches and in the $40k's for FT assistants, which are at or near the top for D3). This probably only works in the Northeast and Mid-west. The Southeast and the West don't have the same density of D3 teams. The only teams between St. Louis and So Cal is Colorado College. In D2 in the west you have bus rides that can run 10-15 hours, which aren't unheard of in D1, but at least you get conference revenue sharing and money games and so on.
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Post by wingspam on May 7, 2021 10:00:57 GMT -5
Is it common for a school to drop all the way down to D3 from D1? That just seems odd to me. Agreed. D2 would have been more even.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 7, 2021 10:10:31 GMT -5
Vermont used to have a VB team, iirc. What year did they fold?
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