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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:16:37 GMT -5
If you go back and read, I didn't say Carlini can't set the middles. I said Carlini can't set them as well as the other two can. Carlini had both Chirichella + Veljkovic in her year with Novara. Neither were as successful as Washington and Chirichella were with Hancock. (1.36 kps, .370 and 1.5 kps, .490) with a team that included MBH and Egonu. (passing 40% and 31% efficiency) That's the exact point. Carlini rides the success of her pins (Ebrar, Egonu, Haak). Team USA doesn't have that option. That's why Poulter and Hancock were selected. She doesn’t ride their success — she wins.  |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jun 13, 2021 20:24:06 GMT -5
I believe there are about four threads dedicated to Carlini or Carlini not on roster. Any thoughts on the Japan match that didn’t in any way shape or form involve Carlini?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:25:11 GMT -5
It is, because the line is “she can’t set the middles.” And she’s been doing it at a high level for the vast majority of her career. And it’s disingenuous to share the stats you did without context, as if they actually explain anything. All THY had was Carlini and Karakurt. Washington and Chirichella are two of the best middles in the world. Of course Hancock should be setting the two of them more and of course they should be efficient. Even if we accept the notion that Carlini struggles connecting with her middle attackers, the results of her teams speak for themselves and are, in some ways, more impressive if this is actually a weakness in her game. She’s led two different teams in the top two pro leagues in the world to Champions League berths, overachieving significantly with each. She won CL in her second season as a pro, only the second American setter to do so. She truly can’t be as lucky as you want us all to believe. If you go back and read, I didn't say Carlini can't set the middles. I said Carlini can't set them as well as the other two can. Carlini had both Chirichella + Veljkovic in her year with Novara. Neither were as successful as Washington and Chirichella were with Hancock. (1.36 kps, .370 and 1.5 kps, .490) with a team that included MBH and Egonu. (passing 40% and 31% efficiency) That's the exact point. Carlini rides the success of her pins (Ebrar, Egonu, Haak). Team USA doesn't have that option. That's why Poulter and Hancock were selected. don't want to butt in, but team USA didn't choose to develop such an option. Maybe JT...
I (and most other Chinese fans who are following team USA) were pretty surprised Plummer wasn't played more in the VNL and considered more seriously for selection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:26:51 GMT -5
If you go back and read, I didn't say Carlini can't set the middles. I said Carlini can't set them as well as the other two can. Carlini had both Chirichella + Veljkovic in her year with Novara. Neither were as successful as Washington and Chirichella were with Hancock. (1.36 kps, .370 and 1.5 kps, .490) with a team that included MBH and Egonu. (passing 40% and 31% efficiency) That's the exact point. Carlini rides the success of her pins (Ebrar, Egonu, Haak). Team USA doesn't have that option. That's why Poulter and Hancock were selected. don't want to butt in, but team USA didn't choose to develop such an option. Maybe JT...
I (and most other Chinese fans who are following team USA) were pretty surprised Plummer wasn't played more in the VNL and considered more seriously for selection.
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough. |
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Post by Reach on Jun 13, 2021 20:28:24 GMT -5
The middle connection probably has very little depth to it. Seems like we’ve got three setters that connect pretty darn well with our middles. Carlini Dixon: 6k, 1e, 13 att. (.385) Tapp: 3k, 6 att. (.500) Dixon: 5k, 11 att. (.455) Tapp: 6k, 10 att. (.600) Poulter Akinradewo: 7k, 2e, 15 att. (.333) Washington: 9k, 1e, 15 att. (.533) Washington: 6k, 1 error, 12 swings (.417) Ogbogu: 6k, 0 error, 14 swings (.429) Foluke 7-2-13, .385 Washington 7-1-12, .500 Akinradewo: 8k, 12 att (.666) Ogbogu: 4k, 7 att (.571) Hancock Akinradewo: 8k, 3 error, 14 att (.357) Dixon: 3k, 1 error, 11 att (.182) Foluke 2-0-7 Chi 5-0-7 Washington: 7k, 0e, 10 att (.700) Ogbogu: 5k, 1e, 7 att (.571) Washington: 7-0-13 Chi: 3-1-9 All I see is that Carlini set the worst middles with the worst overall passing and did better with less. Hmmm |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:29:55 GMT -5
don't want to butt in, but team USA didn't choose to develop such an option. Maybe JT...
I (and most other Chinese fans who are following team USA) were pretty surprised Plummer wasn't played more in the VNL and considered more seriously for selection.
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough. I always thought SWP was a Larson/Robinson type of outside hitter or serving sub rather than an Bartsch/Hill type of player (more terminal and can put down balls) but it seems she had a very good performance vs Brazil. How old is she? 25-27?
Maybe it just speaks to how bad Brazil is these days...
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:31:08 GMT -5
The middle connection probably has very little depth to it. Seems like we’ve got three setters that connect pretty darn well with our middles. Carlini Dixon: 6k, 1e, 13 att. (.385) Tapp: 3k, 6 att. (.500) Dixon: 5k, 11 att. (.455) Tapp: 6k, 10 att. (.600) Poulter Akinradewo: 7k, 2e, 15 att. (.333) Washington: 9k, 1e, 15 att. (.533) Washington: 6k, 1 error, 12 swings (.417) Ogbogu: 6k, 0 error, 14 swings (.429) Foluke 7-2-13, .385 Washington 7-1-12, .500 Akinradewo: 8k, 12 att (.666) Ogbogu: 4k, 7 att (.571) Hancock Akinradewo: 8k, 3 error, 14 att (.357) Dixon: 3k, 1 error, 11 att (.182) Foluke 2-0-7 Chi 5-0-7 Washington: 7k, 0e, 10 att (.700) Ogbogu: 5k, 1e, 7 att (.571) Washington: 7-0-13 Chi: 3-1-9 All I see is that Carlini set the worst middles with the worst overall passing and did better with less. Hmmm given that she only had a chance to set dixon and tapp, it is even more evidence that the decisions were already made pre-VNL. (At least, KK came in with a very heavy bias) Otherwise how is that fair?
edit: you also have to take into consideration which teams they played against. DR and Canada are pretty bad at defense lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:31:38 GMT -5
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough. I always thought SWP was a Larson/Robinson type of outside hitter or serving sub rather than an Bartsch/Hill type of player (more terminal and can put down balls) but it seems she had a very good performance vs Brazil. How old is she? 25-27?
Maybe it just speaks to how bad Brazil is these days...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:33:06 GMT -5
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough. I always thought SWP was a Larson/Robinson type of outside hitter or serving sub rather than an Bartsch/Hill type of player (more terminal and can put down balls) but it seems she had a very good performance vs Brazil. How old is she? 25-27?
Maybe it just speaks to how bad Brazil is these days...
SWP is way more a terminator than a passer |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:33:58 GMT -5
I always thought SWP was a Larson/Robinson type of outside hitter or serving sub rather than an Bartsch/Hill type of player (more terminal and can put down balls) but it seems she had a very good performance vs Brazil. How old is she? 25-27?
Maybe it just speaks to how bad Brazil is these days...
25. She was 5th in turkey in points/set Fair enough, she'll be prime age in Paris.
IDK though, I like the physicality that Plummer brings instead of YET ANOTHER 6'2 outside hitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:35:34 GMT -5
25. She was 5th in turkey in points/set Fair enough, she'll be prime age in Paris.
IDK though, I like the physicality that Plummer brings instead of YET ANOTHER 6'2 outside hitter.
Wilhite has like insane range. She just finds ways to put the ball to floor. She has a really interesting arm swing that just shreds blockers for breakfast |
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Post by Reach on Jun 13, 2021 20:37:38 GMT -5
All I see is that Carlini set the worst middles with the worst overall passing and did better with less. Hmmm given that she only had a chance to set dixon and tapp, it is even more evidence that the decisions were already made pre-VNL. (At least, KK came in with a very heavy bias) Otherwise how is that fair? edit: you also have to take into consideration which teams they played against. DR and Canada are pretty bad at defense lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:38:15 GMT -5
25. She was 5th in turkey in points/set Fair enough, she'll be prime age in Paris.
IDK though, I like the physicality that Plummer brings instead of YET ANOTHER 6'2 outside hitter.
Yea, I think the biggest thing about Plummer is she has almost 0 senior team experience and Thompson has proven herself. I would be really surprised if she's not on the 22 WCH roster |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:38:30 GMT -5
Fair enough, she'll be prime age in Paris.
IDK though, I like the physicality that Plummer brings instead of YET ANOTHER 6'2 outside hitter.
Wilhite has like insane range. She just finds ways to put the ball to floor. She has a really interesting arm swing that just shreds blockers for breakfast Ok, didn't know that.
I saw her subbing in for serve often, and coaches usually like a player who can play good defense on a service round because it allows her serve to continue. So that's why I thought she would be a more defensive OH than an attacking one. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:41:01 GMT -5
Fair enough, she'll be prime age in Paris.
IDK though, I like the physicality that Plummer brings instead of YET ANOTHER 6'2 outside hitter.
Yea, I think the biggest thing about Plummer is she has almost 0 senior team experience and Thompson has proven herself. I would be really surprised if she's not on the 22 WCH roster Well, Bonitta took a 17-year-old Egonu to her first Olympics Rio 2016 without any WCh or WC experience.
edit: she played outside (probably non-receiving lol) and got best outside at 2016 Euro qualies.
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