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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 19:21:36 GMT -5
I have seen a few people, not just on this thread but others, questioning DeFalco's attitude. I know in college he was a bit of a hot head, but I haven't seen that from him recently, and it seems like he is a pretty solid professional from an attitude standpoint. I also have not seen him play much since college, so I have nothing to go off of, but is that something in question for TJ? The interesting part is that in 1984, 1988, and 1992, almost all the players yelled at each other, the entire match. They all had angry looks on their faces. Now, TJ is considered a bad teammate. He would’ve been one of the more mild ones during those years. I’m not saying it’s bad now, it’s just interesting. I completely agree with you, and I personally love the fire and competitive will to win. He has never had issues with teammates from what I know, and you love to have guys like that on your side of the net. I wish more guys were like the 84-92 squads. I would even throw the 2004-2012 squads in there as well. Priddy, Salmon, etc. Those teams loved to compete and got after it day in and day out.
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Post by james23 on Jun 23, 2021 22:19:48 GMT -5
First, no way Stahl is starting over Smith, speraw will only sub stahl in if he needs to. If he was gonna start over smith, Smith would not be going to the Olympics. Second, I’ll be honest I was not huge on Defalco being OH2 before VNL. But after watching him terminate ball after ball, he’s going to start, that’s the reason he’s gotten so much playing time. Yes Sander and Anderson are elite and no they are not old, but I do not think they can completely carry the team game after game against top tier opponents. TJ’s passing is not ideal but it’s really not as bad as some people make it seem (Japan chose to serve GM instead). Defalco and Smith will start but Speraw will not hesitate to sub them out if they have a bad set. What will happen: Micah Anderson Sander/Defalco Holy/Smith Shoji
(Obviously my opinion, but I feel pretty confident)
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 23, 2021 22:39:49 GMT -5
To me, Japan serving GM was more about disrupting routes/pass-to-attack. Anyways, DeFalco got a lot of PT during the VNL and I would assume Speraw is going with him at this point.
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Post by archiepelago on Jun 23, 2021 22:50:53 GMT -5
I have seen a few people, not just on this thread but others, questioning DeFalco's attitude. I know in college he was a bit of a hot head, but I haven't seen that from him recently, and it seems like he is a pretty solid professional from an attitude standpoint. I also have not seen him play much since college, so I have nothing to go off of, but is that something in question for TJ? Didn't he got mad at Holt when his spike got block and was going out then Holt had a hand on it? I really prefer Muagututia and Sander as OH. Stable in defense and offense. They might not be as flashy as DeFalco but you can't win a game with offense alone.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 23, 2021 22:55:56 GMT -5
I have seen a few people, not just on this thread but others, questioning DeFalco's attitude. I know in college he was a bit of a hot head, but I haven't seen that from him recently, and it seems like he is a pretty solid professional from an attitude standpoint. I also have not seen him play much since college, so I have nothing to go off of, but is that something in question for TJ? Didn't he got mad at Holt when his spike got block and was going out then Holt had a hand on it? I really prefer Muagututia and Sander as OH. Stable in defense and offense. They might not be as flashy as DeFalco but you can't win a game with offense alone. Hmmm GM lacks mobility and looks so stuck in defense... maybe if he plants himself in the right place he can make a touch but idk he seems worse at defense compared to the others.
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Post by james23 on Jun 24, 2021 1:55:08 GMT -5
To me, Japan serving GM was more about disrupting routes/pass-to-attack. Anyways, DeFalco got a lot of PT during the VNL and I would assume Speraw is going with him at this point. You may be right but it’s still telling that they thought it was more advantageous to do that then serve TJ who is supposedly a “terrible” passer
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Post by archiepelago on Jun 24, 2021 2:32:31 GMT -5
Didn't he got mad at Holt when his spike got block and was going out then Holt had a hand on it? I really prefer Muagututia and Sander as OH. Stable in defense and offense. They might not be as flashy as DeFalco but you can't win a game with offense alone. Hmmm GM lacks mobility and looks so stuck in defense... maybe if he plants himself in the right place he can make a touch but idk he seems worse at defense compared to the others. They just seem more fluid with Muagututia than Defalco. But lets see in Tokyo.
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Post by sammyd on Jun 24, 2021 10:34:26 GMT -5
The difference from the 84 and 88 teams, and the 2008 team for that matter, is that 1) those teams were all seasoned professionals (especially 2008 when several of them were on their 3rd Olympics and well into their 30s), whereas Defalco is new to the scene and is still very young; and 2) those teams had that relationship established as the culture of the whole team.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 24, 2021 16:17:53 GMT -5
FWIW, here's the final stats from the VNL website regarding reception for GM, DeFalco, and Jaeschke. Sadly, they only keep track of successful (or "perfect" basically). Wish they included positive pass % too.
GM: 77 successful - 14 errors / 180 attempts (42.7% successful, 35% when subtracting the errors) DeFalco: 79 successful - 8 errors / 250 attempts (31.6% successful, 28.4%) Jaeschke: 45 succesful - 5 errors / 117 attempts (38.4% successful, 34.2%)
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Post by bruinsgold on Jun 24, 2021 16:39:29 GMT -5
FWIW, here's the final stats from the VNL website regarding reception for GM, DeFalco, and Jaeschke. Sadly, they only keep track of successful (or "perfect" basically). Wish they included positive pass % too. GM: 77 successful - 14 errors / 180 attempts (42.7% successful, 35% when subtracting the errors) DeFalco: 79 successful - 8 errors / 250 attempts (31.6% successful, 28.4%) Jaeschke: 45 succesful - 5 errors / 117 attempts (38.4% successful, 34.2%) I'd like you to subtract one of those errors from Jaeschke as that's the ace when he just got pulled in for T. Sander against Slovenia. I'd like that error to count against Speraw. Wow, didn't expect that big drop off for Muagututia once you take away his errors. Looks like Jaeschke was the steadiest but has fewer attempts. I too wish there was a stat for "excellent" versus "successful" so we could gauge who's actually making a difference in that spot.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 24, 2021 17:04:31 GMT -5
FWIW, here's the final stats from the VNL website regarding reception for GM, DeFalco, and Jaeschke. Sadly, they only keep track of successful (or "perfect" basically). Wish they included positive pass % too. GM: 77 successful - 14 errors / 180 attempts (42.7% successful, 35% when subtracting the errors) DeFalco: 79 successful - 8 errors / 250 attempts (31.6% successful, 28.4%) Jaeschke: 45 succesful - 5 errors / 117 attempts (38.4% successful, 34.2%) I'd like you to subtract one of those errors from Jaeschke as that's the ace when he just got pulled in for T. Sander against Slovenia. I'd like that error to count against Speraw. Wow, didn't expect that big drop off for Muagututia once you take away his errors. Looks like Jaeschke was the steadiest but has fewer attempts. I too wish there was a stat for "excellent" versus "successful" so we could gauge who's actually making a difference in that spot. Yes, it’s frustrating because they literally show the excellent vs. positive passing percentages on the graphics but maybe they don’t keep that distinction for individuals and only keep it for the whole team? No clue. I will say, TJ was targeted more and also had a lot of offensive responsibility so I’m not surprised that his numbers are lower. I like TJ, but for me it’s a matter of when those passing woes come… I’m not sure you have that much room for risk (especially if the serve is giving the other team a set worth of points). But, this is the Olympics after all and it seems like Speraw likes what TJ brings at the net. And also, I don’t think TJ is a bad passer I just think the others ~look~ more stable.
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Post by bruinsgold on Jun 24, 2021 17:28:22 GMT -5
I'd like you to subtract one of those errors from Jaeschke as that's the ace when he just got pulled in for T. Sander against Slovenia. I'd like that error to count against Speraw. Wow, didn't expect that big drop off for Muagututia once you take away his errors. Looks like Jaeschke was the steadiest but has fewer attempts. I too wish there was a stat for "excellent" versus "successful" so we could gauge who's actually making a difference in that spot. Yes, it’s frustrating because they literally show the excellent vs. positive passing percentages on the graphics but maybe they don’t keep that distinction for individuals and only keep it for the whole team? No clue. I will say, TJ was targeted more and also had a lot of offensive responsibility so I’m not surprised that his numbers are lower. I like TJ, but for me it’s a matter of when those passing woes come… I’m not sure you have that much room for risk (especially if the serve is giving the other team a set worth of points). But, this is the Olympics after all and it seems like Speraw likes what TJ brings at the net. And also, I don’t think TJ is a bad passer I just think the others ~look~ more stable. Yeah, I agree with you on all this. It's clear what Speraw wants and it's honestly not a bad idea. I also don't think TJ is a bad passer. He's just the weakest of our options. And any other year, I don't know if that matters as much because we have a Top 3 setter in the world running the show plus incredible pin hitters. But our pin hitters are fighting nagging injuries and I don't know think having an uneven reception line helps to equally distribute that load so we're not overworking them from start to finish. Guess we'll see soon!
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Post by volleyfred on Jun 26, 2021 15:48:15 GMT -5
First, no way Stahl is starting over Smith, speraw will only sub stahl in if he needs to. If he was gonna start over smith, Smith would not be going to the Olympics. Second, I’ll be honest I was not huge on Defalco being OH2 before VNL. But after watching him terminate ball after ball, he’s going to start, that’s the reason he’s gotten so much playing time. Yes Sander and Anderson are elite and no they are not old, but I do not think they can completely carry the team game after game against top tier opponents. TJ’s passing is not ideal but it’s really not as bad as some people make it seem (Japan chose to serve GM instead). Defalco and Smith will start but Speraw will not hesitate to sub them out if they have a bad set. What will happen: Micah Anderson Sander/Defalco Holy/Smith Shoji (Obviously my opinion, but I feel pretty confident) I’ll give an opposing view to David Smith being on the team. Yes, he may very well start. But I don’t think John would leave him off of the Olympic roster, just for loyalty. If he was absolutely not at the level anymore, then certainly John would leave him off the roster. Remember, David Smith was on two of the three teams that won a national championship for John. I think even if he wasn’t going to start, John would keep him on the roster for one final hurrah. John is an absolute legend of a coach, but those early Irvine teams made him who he is today. But you’re right, he may very well start over Stahl.
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Post by mikesmith on Jun 27, 2021 2:35:34 GMT -5
The difference from the 84 and 88 teams, and the 2008 team for that matter, is that 1) those teams were all seasoned professionals (especially 2008 when several of them were on their 3rd Olympics and well into their 30s), whereas Defalco is new to the scene and is still very young; and 2) those teams had that relationship established as the culture of the whole team. The 08 team for sure, I can see your point. The 84 team, however, led by Karch had a number of young players on it. Karch was 23 the 84 olympics and 27 in 88. You could say that he built at culture for 88, but it was the way they all played, even in college. Maybe DeFalco creates a new culture, if he’s good enough, starting this olympics.
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Post by akbar on Jun 27, 2021 7:34:07 GMT -5
The "culture" of the Mens team is perfectly fine. They are all highly competitive athletes who push themselves and their teammates with a collective goal in mind. Athletes today are brought up in very different environment than in the 70s and 80s. While I can see that a few of us experienced days of trash talking and borderline fisticuffs within our team practices and volatile coaching in days of yore, don't be fooled to think that we were more competitive or tougher minded than these guys in the Olympic gym today. It's all relative.
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