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Post by BearClause on Jun 24, 2021 14:46:52 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 25, 2021 23:43:57 GMT -5
I heard 150 people is still unaccounted for? Any updates?
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Post by Mocha on Jun 27, 2021 17:10:09 GMT -5
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Post by BearClause on Jun 27, 2021 19:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by hammer on Jun 28, 2021 16:41:22 GMT -5
As for the reason the condo building collapsed I'm expecting water/corrosion damage at one or more of the major load points in the base/garage area of the building. Poor drainage, standing water, a breach that funneled water to a specific load point seem likely given the structure's location and amount of yearly rainfall. And, if shortcuts were made by inspectors or their recommendations weren't followed, that's the recipe for a disaster like this.
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 29, 2021 7:34:46 GMT -5
As for the reason the condo building collapsed I'm expecting water/corrosion damage at one or more of the major load points in the base/garage area of the building. Poor drainage, standing water, a breach that funneled water to a specific load point seem likely given the structure's location and amount of yearly rainfall . And, if shortcuts were made by inspectors or their recommendations weren't followed, that's the recipe for a disaster like this.Who will incur legal liability here? |
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Post by n00b on Jun 29, 2021 15:49:32 GMT -5
As for the reason the condo building collapsed I'm expecting water/corrosion damage at one or more of the major load points in the base/garage area of the building. Poor drainage, standing water, a breach that funneled water to a specific load point seem likely given the structure's location and amount of yearly rainfall . And, if shortcuts were made by inspectors or their recommendations weren't followed, that's the recipe for a disaster like this.Who will incur legal liability here? If the inspectors and property owner acted in good faith and properly, does somebody have to assume legal liability? Obviously there will be a prolonged investigation into what happened. If an undetected sink hole opened up (or some other act of God), there may be no liability. My guess is that it’ll be a series of unfortunate events - a structure that needed upgrades (they were in the process of making them), contracture next door that was literally shaking the foundation of the building, plus some sort of natural factor like a sink hole. How liability gets assigned in that case? I have no clue. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 29, 2021 16:58:25 GMT -5
Who will incur legal liability here? If the inspectors and property owner acted in good faith and properly, does somebody have to assume legal liability? Obviously there will be a prolonged investigation into what happened. If an undetected sink hole opened up (or some other act of God), there may be no liability. My guess is that it’ll be a series of unfortunate events - a structure that needed upgrades (they were in the process of making them), contracture next door that was literally shaking the foundation of the building, plus some sort of natural factor like a sink hole. How liability gets assigned in that case? I have no clue. I'm not so sure. This is preventable with better inspection. Acting in good faith is not enough, whoever is responsible has a duty to perform their job up to a certain standard, failing which they may be liable for negligence. |
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Post by hammer on Jun 30, 2021 2:11:52 GMT -5
If the inspectors and property owner acted in good faith and properly, does somebody have to assume legal liability? Obviously there will be a prolonged investigation into what happened. If an undetected sink hole opened up (or some other act of God), there may be no liability. My guess is that it’ll be a series of unfortunate events - a structure that needed upgrades (they were in the process of making them), contracture next door that was literally shaking the foundation of the building, plus some sort of natural factor like a sink hole. How liability gets assigned in that case? I have no clue. I'm not so sure. This is preventable with better inspection. Acting in good faith is not enough, whoever is responsible has a duty to perform their job up to a certain standard, failing which they may be liable for negligence. A building collapse like this is such a rare event I'm reasonably sure that at least a few members of the condo association were aware of potential major structural issues. Whether they were lazy or trying to save money by putting off necessary repairs, they likely bear some responsibility for this tragedy. Sometimes condo associations put major repairs up to a special assessment vote so that might give them some cover from liability. |
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Post by n00b on Jun 30, 2021 2:18:18 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. This is preventable with better inspection. Acting in good faith is not enough, whoever is responsible has a duty to perform their job up to a certain standard, failing which they may be liable for negligence. A building collapse like this is such a rare event I'm reasonably sure that at least a few members of the condo association were aware of potential major structural issues. Whether they were lazy or trying to save money by putting off necessary repairs, they likely bear some responsibility for this tragedy. The very preliminary reporting I heard was that some maintainance was recommended but there was nothing indicating it was urgent and the structural integrity of the building was in question. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 30, 2021 16:14:06 GMT -5
www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.htmlReports now that a pool contractor saw structural damage so severe that he took pictures of it only days before the collapse. Also, they apparently had a problem with saltwater flooding that was almost certainly corroding the rebar in their concrete. I would not be surprised if we see more like this, really, given how much seawater flooding has been happening in Florida. (But hey, the Florida government still says climate change is nothing to worry about, so it's all good, I guess.)
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 30, 2021 20:45:42 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. This is preventable with better inspection. Acting in good faith is not enough, whoever is responsible has a duty to perform their job up to a certain standard, failing which they may be liable for negligence. A building collapse like this is such a rare event I'm reasonably sure that at least a few members of the condo association were aware of potential major structural issues. Whether they were lazy or trying to save money by putting off necessary repairs, they likely bear some responsibility for this tragedy. Sometimes condo associations put major repairs up to a special assessment vote so that might give them some cover from liability.
www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252476793.html |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 30, 2021 21:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 30, 2021 21:08:28 GMT -5
Well the news are reporting lawsuits are already happening. This might be more to pin the blame on who is responsible then plaintiffs expecting any kind of real compensation. |
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Post by hammer on Jul 1, 2021 16:07:34 GMT -5
Biden was at the condo site this morning. I assume he'll throw some Federal money in to help the family of residents who perished. Of course, no amount of money can make up for this ridiculous tragedy. |
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