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Jan 12, 2022 21:20:24 GMT -5
Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2022 21:20:24 GMT -5
Some non-superstars in WVB made a lot more than $20k this fall. I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. That could easily be ours by next season.
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Jan 12, 2022 21:21:15 GMT -5
Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 12, 2022 21:21:15 GMT -5
I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. I imagine 10-15 programs will dominate college volleyball at the expense of everyone else. Don't they already?
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Jan 12, 2022 21:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 12, 2022 21:22:49 GMT -5
I imagine 10-15 programs will dominate college volleyball at the expense of everyone else. Don't they already? I believe they do!
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Jan 12, 2022 21:39:16 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 21:39:16 GMT -5
I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. That could easily be ours by next season. Nobody in the country benefits more from the changes in NIL and transfer rules than Texas. Just like Texas led the country in the commercialization of the athletic department and weaponizing increasing revenue streams in the 90s and aughts, they’re going to force athletic departments across the country to respond to their approach to NIL. Also, there’s going to be a focus on big budget athletic programs playing one another under a set of rules that caters to their priorities. The big prize is the men’s basketball tournament. That’s the one I’m curious about. If the power 5 conferences wrest control of that away from the NCAA it’s a back breaker in many ways.
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Jan 12, 2022 22:22:20 GMT -5
Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 12, 2022 22:22:20 GMT -5
That could easily be ours by next season. Nobody in the country benefits more from the changes in NIL and transfer rules than Texas. Just like Texas led the country in the commercialization of the athletic department and weaponizing increasing revenue streams in the 90s and aughts, they’re going to force athletic departments across the country to respond to their approach to NIL. Also, there’s going to be a focus on big budget athletic programs playing one another under a set of rules that caters to their priorities. The big prize is the men’s basketball tournament. That’s the one I’m curious about. If the power 5 conferences wrest control of that away from the NCAA it’s a back breaker in many ways. Wonder if eventually some D1 schools will essentially opt out because they can't keep up. They go back to playing sports in relatively geographic compact conferences just for the thrill of competing, and basically there's what was previously called Division-1AA in football for every sport.
I think eventually some schools might even take a bigger step in a different direction. As an alum of Northwestern, I've surmised before that if it ever all "gets away" from NWU and they can't keep up, or if they get pressured to get out of the B1G because the school is private and considerably smaller than the others, I don't think they'd stay playing D1 sports in the Summit League or something like that. I'd see them dropping to DIII and joining Emory, Wash U, U Chicago, Carnegie Mellon in their DIII league - all similar institutions.
Whether you think it's good or bad, these last steps in the professionalization of college sports sure is fascinating.
And I'm also interested to see if there will be a college athlete (most likely FB or BB) who makes millions of dollars during their college years but then doesn't play pro ball. I'm sure it would be extremely rare, but will it happen.
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Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 23:24:07 GMT -5
Nobody in the country benefits more from the changes in NIL and transfer rules than Texas. Just like Texas led the country in the commercialization of the athletic department and weaponizing increasing revenue streams in the 90s and aughts, they’re going to force athletic departments across the country to respond to their approach to NIL. Also, there’s going to be a focus on big budget athletic programs playing one another under a set of rules that caters to their priorities. The big prize is the men’s basketball tournament. That’s the one I’m curious about. If the power 5 conferences wrest control of that away from the NCAA it’s a back breaker in many ways. Wonder if eventually some D1 schools will essentially opt out because they can't keep up. They go back to playing sports in relatively geographic compact conferences just for the thrill of competing, and basically there's what was previously called Division-1AA in football for every sport.
I think eventually some schools might even take a bigger step in a different direction. As an alum of Northwestern, I've surmised before that if it ever all "gets away" from NWU and they can't keep up, or if they get pressured to get out of the B1G because the school is private and considerably smaller than the others, I don't think they'd stay playing D1 sports in the Summit League or something like that. I'd see them dropping to DIII and joining Emory, Wash U, U Chicago, Carnegie Mellon in their DIII league - all similar institutions.
Whether you think it's good or bad, these last steps in the professionalization of college sports sure is fascinating.
And I'm also interested to see if there will be a college athlete (most likely FB or BB) who makes millions of dollars during their college years but then doesn't play pro ball. I'm sure it would be extremely rare, but will it happen.
You know way more about Northwestern than I do. From afar, I’ve been impressed with what Fitzgerald has been able to do with the football program. I remember what NU was like prior to Gary Barnett. It’s not competitive every year, but it’s been way better than it was before. I was also extremely impressed with the athletic complex the university invested in. That showed a serious commitment to keeping up with the Joneses. Unfortunately, it never stops. Northwestern benefits from its B1G association for revenue purposes. Plus, as you know, the Big 10 has traditionally been as much a research consortium as it is an athletic association. I feel like Northwestern benefits in so many ways from the conference affiliation they’re not going anywhere. Proximity to Chicago is good in some ways for NIL options. The only problem is there’s a lot of competition for quality endorsements. The relatively small alumni base compared to the big public schools is the big issue. But that’s often the case for places like Northwestern and Vanderbilt. I don’t see the B1G cutting Northwestern. Too many advantages, chief among them the academic prestige, which B1G presidents/chancellors value more than the other power conferences. As long as the conferences obscene revenue numbers hold - and why wouldn’t they - I don’t see Northwestern going anywhere. But yeah. There’s going to be a culling at some point. Voluntary because it’s too expensive to keep up and the dissonance required at maintaining a massive sports oriented profit center (or loss, depending) in the middle of centers of higher education creates internally self destructive schisms. Involuntary by disassociation when programs willing to spend obscene amounts of money to maintain relevance choose not to group with schools unwilling or unable to do the same. But we’re not there yet. As stevehorn mentioned early, it’s been easy to see all of this coming. We’re at the late stages of the current incarnation of college sports. It’s just a matter of time before the main athletic competitions at the college level are relegated to super schools and conferences with massive budgets funded by wealthy alumni who have invested critical parts of their identity to the athletic success of their alma mater, as well as content distributors desperate to create live content to attract eyeballs for advertising dollars.
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Jan 13, 2022 0:36:09 GMT -5
Post by bucky415 on Jan 13, 2022 0:36:09 GMT -5
I don't know. Chicago is a pro sports town, but if Northwestern can compete and just get a small fragment of the area sports fan population to engage, I think there is considerable revenue and NIL potential there, because, apart from Loyola mbb, no team there has really done much of note in recent years. It is a more affordable option than the Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, Cubs, Bears, by far. DePaul had it going in the 1980s and early 1990s when they were good.
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Jan 13, 2022 1:04:18 GMT -5
Post by beachindoor on Jan 13, 2022 1:04:18 GMT -5
how much are the players making on the Texas bench?> or Nebraska? no one has answered lol
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Jan 13, 2022 1:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jan 13, 2022 1:50:31 GMT -5
how much are the players making on the Texas bench?> or Nebraska? no one has answered lol I’ve never seen a granular breakdown of any kind regarding NIL deals. That said, what stevehorn is referring to when he suggests Texas volleyball players could be making that much very soon is something called the Clark Collective, which has pledged $10m towards all Texas athletes in NIL money to be provided through donations and business investments. People keep thinking this is about players being able to market themselves. What it’s really going to be is a way for donors to financially incentivize the best talent to attend their school.
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Jan 13, 2022 2:11:40 GMT -5
Post by ay2013 on Jan 13, 2022 2:11:40 GMT -5
how much are the players making on the Texas bench?> or Nebraska? no one has answered lol I’ve never seen a granular breakdown of any kind regarding NIL deals. That said, what stevehorn is referring to when he suggests Texas volleyball players could be making that much very soon is something called the Clark Collective, which has pledged $10m towards all Texas athletes in NIL money to be provided through donations and business investments. People keep thinking this is about players being able to market themselves. What it’s really going to be is a way for donors to financially incentivize the best talent to attend their school. Bingo! Athletes will be paid indirectly by boosters through "endorsement deals". Right now it's payment for "endorsing" sandwich shops and cheap clothing brands.... soon it will be personal injury law firms, dental practices, and car dealerships.
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Jan 13, 2022 2:19:51 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 13, 2022 2:19:51 GMT -5
I’ve never seen a granular breakdown of any kind regarding NIL deals. That said, what stevehorn is referring to when he suggests Texas volleyball players could be making that much very soon is something called the Clark Collective, which has pledged $10m towards all Texas athletes in NIL money to be provided through donations and business investments. People keep thinking this is about players being able to market themselves. What it’s really going to be is a way for donors to financially incentivize the best talent to attend their school. Bingo! Athletes will be paid indirectly by boosters through "endorsement deals". Right now it's payment for "endorsing" sandwich shops and cheap clothing brands.... soon it will be personal injury law firms, dental practices, and car dealerships. Or just doing charity work and making appearances. That’s what the three organized NIL groups associated with Texas are talking about. Sign an annual contract for a guaranteed stipend, show up at a few events or do a Habitat for Humanity project or the like. Done. They don’t actually have to endorse anything.
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Jan 13, 2022 2:56:28 GMT -5
Post by bucky415 on Jan 13, 2022 2:56:28 GMT -5
I’ve never seen a granular breakdown of any kind regarding NIL deals. That said, what stevehorn is referring to when he suggests Texas volleyball players could be making that much very soon is something called the Clark Collective, which has pledged $10m towards all Texas athletes in NIL money to be provided through donations and business investments. People keep thinking this is about players being able to market themselves. What it’s really going to be is a way for donors to financially incentivize the best talent to attend their school. Bingo! Athletes will be paid indirectly by boosters through "endorsement deals". Right now it's payment for "endorsing" sandwich shops and cheap clothing brands.... soon it will be personal injury law firms, dental practices, and car dealerships. I actually first recognized a prominent personal injury attorney in Milwaukee as a women's tennis dad at Wisconsin, before his practice expanded to Madison. To be clear, he was not looking for clients then, just supporting his daughter in her matches.
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Jan 26, 2022 7:34:15 GMT -5
Post by 1stTouch on Jan 26, 2022 7:34:15 GMT -5
I’ve never seen a granular breakdown of any kind regarding NIL deals. That said, what stevehorn is referring to when he suggests Texas volleyball players could be making that much very soon is something called the Clark Collective, which has pledged $10m towards all Texas athletes in NIL money to be provided through donations and business investments. People keep thinking this is about players being able to market themselves. What it’s really going to be is a way for donors to financially incentivize the best talent to attend their school. Bingo! Athletes will be paid indirectly by boosters through "endorsement deals". Right now it's payment for "endorsing" sandwich shops and cheap clothing brands.... soon it will be personal injury law firms, dental practices, and car dealerships. Basically, NIL will make what was considered illegal (gifts/cash from boosters/donors) to a form that is legal & will be used by powerful program as a recruiting tool (ie. I have potential NIL deals with certain $$ amount ready for each recruit!) Probably more with FB & BB. However, in some parts of the country where WVB is big (Nebraska, Wisconsin, Texas, FL....), there will be similar deals. Going to be very interesting to follow this and see how it impacts the sport that we love......
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Apr 29, 2022 16:00:12 GMT -5
Post by yoda on Apr 29, 2022 16:00:12 GMT -5
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Apr 29, 2022 16:12:10 GMT -5
Post by gr8lakes on Apr 29, 2022 16:12:10 GMT -5
I've read comments about this, and it's no longer NIL. This is pay for play
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