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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 31, 2021 22:12:49 GMT -5
Maybe they didn’t hear or know about those comments being aired publicly…? Lmao they definitely did I’m lost. What was said? page 20 of this thread, halfway down.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 31, 2021 22:14:10 GMT -5
Here's what I saw. The ball clipped the line, but...AFTER it first touched sand out of bounds. I don't know how the in/out rule works exactly. But the front of the ball touched sand about 1/16" of an inch before the back of the ball touched the line. I'm sad that Sponcil's anger at the call caused an overpass on the next serve receive. If the ball hits the line, it is in, even if it hit the sand first. Same thing indoor, otherwise compression of the ball would not be a thing the ball definitely hit the back of that blue line. I've watched it quite a few times on the replay NBC puts up. If your explanation of the rule is true, then the FIVB really, totally, royally screwed up by first ruling the ball hit the line, then 60 seconds later, without any real explanation, ruling the ball hadn't hit the line. If there is an official protest available by USAVB to the FIVB, it needs to happen now. The 3rd set needs to be replayed, or picked up from the 12-12 it would have been. At 61:29 of the NBC replay, it clearly shows the ball brushing the blue line. About five seconds later, Marlowe says... Ball is in! Then the up Referee reports the challenge is upheld. stream.nbcolympics.com/beach-volleyball-round-16-match-1. You need to be able to log into a cable account that includes CNBC and MSNBC to get access to that replay. Somebody at FIVB needs to explain what happened. Maybe there is no official channel in which to appeal a bad Challenge decision. I can think of a lot of practical reasons why appealing a Challenge decision would be impractical, but this is the Olympics, and as messy or time consuming as protests can be, it is a time honored tradition in sport. Track and Field this year got a reinstatement of a dq'd athlete. USA track also reversed a DQ call at Trials. Protests exist for a reason.
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Post by pepperclove on Jul 31, 2021 22:37:05 GMT -5
I would definitely like to hear the FIVB explain what the deal was with that ruling. If there is a mechanism to protest, USAV could certainly try, but I suspect referee decisions are final.
One possible factor that I don't think anybody has mentioned is that Kelly has been stuck in a hotel due to contact tracing. She seems to have handled it well, but based on what Phil has said, I don't think she's had access to the weight room and recovery resources provided to the non-isolated competitors. I imagine that could start to affect your fitness a bit after a few days, and we know that the margins between teams are really small at this level.
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Post by haze on Jul 31, 2021 22:39:05 GMT -5
So did the dude who made the official rule to overturn tell himself " damn man I completely farmed that last challenge call, ball really was out."
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Post by ajm on Jul 31, 2021 22:49:53 GMT -5
If the ball hits the line, it is in, even if it hit the sand first. Same thing indoor, otherwise compression of the ball would not be a thing the ball definitely hit the back of that blue line. I've watched it quite a few times on the replay NBC puts up. If your explanation of the rule is true, then the FIVB really, totally, royally screwed up by first ruling the ball hit the line, then 60 seconds later, without any real explanation, ruling the ball hadn't hit the line. If there is an official protest available by USAVB to the FIVB, it needs to happen now. The 3rd set needs to be replayed, or picked up from the 12-12 it would have been. At 61:29 of the NBC replay, it clearly shows the ball brushing the blue line. About five seconds later, Marlowe says... Ball is in! Then the up Referee reports the challenge is upheld. stream.nbcolympics.com/beach-volleyball-round-16-match-1. You need to be able to log into a cable account that includes CNBC and MSNBC to get access to that replay. Somebody at FIVB needs to explain what happened. Maybe there is no official channel in which to appeal a bad Challenge decision. I can think of a lot of practical reasons why appealing a Challenge decision would be impractical, but this is the Olympics, and as messy or time consuming as protests can be, it is a time honored tradition in sport. Track and Field this year got a reinstatement of a dq'd athlete. USA track also reversed a DQ call at Trials. Protests exist for a reason. I agree there needs to be an official explanation. Protests are generally reserved for when a rule is misapplied. Maybe that’s the case here, but my guess is that they’ll just say the call was a judgement call and they erroneously announced it was in before it was actually decided.
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Post by ajm on Jul 31, 2021 22:51:19 GMT -5
1) can't wait to hear the explanation of that call late in the 3rd. 2) not sure if Kelly was hurt, but talk about a player with absolutely no grit 3) Heather Bansley was outstanding. Easily the best player on the court. 4) watched all their matches, and Brandie Wilkerson might be the most overrated player in the Olympics. By far. 5) NBC gets an F with their coverage with all the points they miss Brandie was overrated by whom?
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Post by vballfannbama on Jul 31, 2021 23:00:54 GMT -5
In case you didn’t see these quotes in the VBM story. They sound either motivational or ominous. “To be honest, we squeezed out a win. But personally I’m not very happy with their mindset and how they went about things,” Cheng said. “I think they could have been better teammates. With this team, we say that it’s not really about the volleyball. When we go and watch this match, we’re not going to focus on the volleyball. There’s a lot of teammate stuff that we have to dial in. “We’ve got to be good teammates. I want them to stick with the stuff we’ve been working on, believe the best in each other, and fight for each other. Sometimes I think we can get frustrated and go our separate ways a little bit.” Coaching 101 what it said behind the scenes stays behind the scenes..... All he had to say was "They played well enough to win.....gotta give credit to Brazil they made it tough on them out there but they found a way and fought through it."
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 31, 2021 23:05:22 GMT -5
the ball definitely hit the back of that blue line. I've watched it quite a few times on the replay NBC puts up. Somebody at FIVB needs to explain what happened. Maybe there is no official channel in which to appeal a bad Challenge decision. I agree there needs to be an official explanation. Protests are generally reserved for when a rule is misapplied. Maybe that’s the case here, but my guess is that they’ll just say the call was a judgement call and they erroneously announced it was in before it was actually decided. I don't really get how a closeup, slow motion, high resolution video of a ball touching a line is a judgement call. Sure, back in the days where we would dig a line with our foot, and then we'd argue about how crooked the line was where the ball hit.
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Post by haze on Jul 31, 2021 23:09:48 GMT -5
1) can't wait to hear the explanation of that call late in the 3rd. 2) not sure if Kelly was hurt, but talk about a player with absolutely no grit 3) Heather Bansley was outstanding. Easily the best player on the court. 4) watched all their matches, and Brandie Wilkerson might be the most overrated player in the Olympics. By far. 5) NBC gets an F with their coverage with all the points they miss Brandie was overrated by whom? People here were saying couple years ago she's one of the best blockers in the world. She's nothing more than an exceptional athlete playing volleyball. She isn't even the best player on her own team.
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Post by VB48 on Jul 31, 2021 23:26:19 GMT -5
I agree there needs to be an official explanation. Protests are generally reserved for when a rule is misapplied. Maybe that’s the case here, but my guess is that they’ll just say the call was a judgement call and they erroneously announced it was in before it was actually decided. I don't really get how a closeup, slow motion, high resolution video of a ball touching a line is a judgement call. Sure, back in the days where we would dig a line with our foot, and then we'd argue about how crooked the line was where the ball hit. In/Out is a judgement call, just like a net touch, and double contact. A protest could be based on rule 33 which states that once the R1 makes a call from a challenge, it cannot be appealed. It appeared that the Canadians asked the R1 to have them look at it again, and it was then reversed. That would be in violation of rule 33, and protestable.
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Post by Spike Town on Jul 31, 2021 23:31:50 GMT -5
Brandie was overrated by whom? People here were saying couple years ago she's one of the best blockers in the world. She's nothing more than an exceptional athlete playing volleyball. She isn't even the best player on her own team. You mean in 2018 when she was awarded FIVB Best Blocker? Where would people get a crazy idea like she’s a good blocker. Crazy talk.
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Post by haze on Jul 31, 2021 23:38:04 GMT -5
People here were saying couple years ago she's one of the best blockers in the world. She's nothing more than an exceptional athlete playing volleyball. She isn't even the best player on her own team. You mean in 2018 when she was awarded FIVB Best Blocker? Where would people get a crazy idea like she’s a good blocker. Crazy talk. What happened? It isn't like she's old and declined in skill with age?
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Post by Spike Town on Jul 31, 2021 23:47:39 GMT -5
You mean in 2018 when she was awarded FIVB Best Blocker? Where would people get a crazy idea like she’s a good blocker. Crazy talk. What happened? It isn't like she's old and declined in skill with age? I honestly have no idea what you’re asking. You questioned people thinking she was a good blocker. I provided one example of why people ‘might’ think so. I mean, she’s advanced to the next round in the Olympics, does well on the FIVB, and plays on the AVP. Not bad for just an “exceptional athlete who is good at volleyball.”
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Post by veritas on Jul 31, 2021 23:49:27 GMT -5
How is it in something so important, we cant get any explanation as to what happened...from anybody? News outlets absolutely glossing over the challenges in their reports. WTF?
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Post by porkozone on Aug 1, 2021 0:09:01 GMT -5
I’m really curious as to what actually happened with that challenge reversal. Doesn’t add up. And if it was a flub by the replay crew, how unfortunate of a time for that.
That said, The loss was pretty simple, actually. Slaes served too easy, and went over in 2 too often. Then late inexplicably kept serving the hot hitter repeatedly, instead of the player prone to mistakes.
They do a really good job of the on 2 play, but have not (yet) learned when and why to do it, and when not to. In set 2, they used it a lot, and it was creating frustration on the Canadian side and throwing off their game, as it should. It’s a fine line, though, to keep your opponent frustrated, but not piss them off. When Claes backset over in 2 to go to 10-4, it pissed the Canadians off and they went on a tear.
The other downside of too much over-in-2 is that it doesn’t lead to points that get your own team fired up, which hurt them too.
I’m really excited to see the threat of on-2 being utilized more and more - it really opens up the game, and forces the opponent to make riskier serves instead of just a lollipop to the shorter player.
All they have to do is find a better balance of strong attacks and on-2 trickery, and they will be a force to be reckoned with. They have ALL the pieces and just need to grow into them a bit more.
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