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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jul 21, 2021 17:53:23 GMT -5
I just saw a photo Instagram from USA Volleyball with select college coaches working in small groups of the nation’s best recruitable-age players. Were all college coaches given the opportunity to have this face-to-face coaching? Should ALL coaches have been given the opportunity? What would that even look like? I’m guessing you would have to ask USAV how coaches were selected. |
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Post by dodger on Jul 22, 2021 1:01:57 GMT -5
I just saw a photo Instagram from USA Volleyball with select college coaches working in small groups of the nation’s best recruitable-age players. Were all college coaches given the opportunity to have this face-to-face coaching? I am not aware of what coaches are running drills and doing training: but i am aware of college coaches there watching players (doing evaluations) as recruiters! |
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Post by JustInCase on Jul 22, 2021 9:41:17 GMT -5
I just saw a photo Instagram from USA Volleyball with select college coaches working in small groups of the nation’s best recruitable-age players. Were all college coaches given the opportunity to have this face-to-face coaching? Not sure what the big deal is. They have been doing this for 30+ years. If you are a coach and want the opportunity, you simply need to volunteer your services to help USAV out at various programs. |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Jul 24, 2021 0:54:54 GMT -5
I recall several years ago, USA Volleyball prohibited college coaches from working with recruitable age athletes. Clearly, that philosophy is no longer in place. I appreciate when USAV offers accomplished club and high school coaches these opportunities. Please define ‘accomplished’ (junior) coaches. Not trying to antagonize, but I believe the previous and even current qualifying credentials relate to USAV CAP standing and not so much accomplishments. While I feel accomplishments should play a strong role; they may be difficult to quantify or justify. The CAP system feels political in its changes/progress/evolution as it relates to the current (at THAT moment) national team leadership. Which leads to not so accomplished coaches. Furthermore, the other fairly common credentialing body/system is GMS. GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!” Unfortunately, more times than not, we can just follow the money and understand the system. |
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Post by moody on Jul 25, 2021 11:07:25 GMT -5
I recall several years ago, USA Volleyball prohibited college coaches from working with recruitable age athletes. Clearly, that philosophy is no longer in place. I appreciate when USAV offers accomplished club and high school coaches these opportunities. Please define ‘accomplished’ (junior) coaches. Not trying to antagonize, but I believe the previous and even current qualifying credentials relate to USAV CAP standing and not so much accomplishments. While I feel accomplishments should play a strong role; they may be difficult to quantify or justify. The CAP system feels political in its changes/progress/evolution as it relates to the current (at THAT moment) national team leadership. Which leads to not so accomplished coaches. Furthermore, the other fairly common credentialing body/system is GMS. GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!” Unfortunately, more times than not, we can just follow the money and understand the system. How do you define an accomplished college coach? |
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 26, 2021 7:15:47 GMT -5
GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!”. What are you seeing from GMS that makes you feel that way? |
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Post by hammer on Jul 26, 2021 15:39:43 GMT -5
Please define ‘accomplished’ (junior) coaches. Not trying to antagonize, but I believe the previous and even current qualifying credentials relate to USAV CAP standing and not so much accomplishments. While I feel accomplishments should play a strong role; they may be difficult to quantify or justify. The CAP system feels political in its changes/progress/evolution as it relates to the current (at THAT moment) national team leadership. Which leads to not so accomplished coaches. Furthermore, the other fairly common credentialing body/system is GMS. GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!” Unfortunately, more times than not, we can just follow the money and understand the system. How do you define an accomplished college coach? I'd say he must be bald, about 75 years old, and have the initials MH. |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Jul 27, 2021 18:19:18 GMT -5
Please define ‘accomplished’ (junior) coaches. Not trying to antagonize, but I believe the previous and even current qualifying credentials relate to USAV CAP standing and not so much accomplishments. While I feel accomplishments should play a strong role; they may be difficult to quantify or justify. The CAP system feels political in its changes/progress/evolution as it relates to the current (at THAT moment) national team leadership. Which leads to not so accomplished coaches. Furthermore, the other fairly common credentialing body/system is GMS. GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!” Unfortunately, more times than not, we can just follow the money and understand the system. How do you define an accomplished college coach? Personally, I define it as someone who has followed the rules, out worked their competitors, recruited their tails off and built a program to make their divisional tourney repeated years. If they are a lower division program, then made the jump to the next division and done the same or better. The reason I originally asked about accomplished junior coaches is because this is basically a sport of affluence and the playing field is skewed, not a given, in favor of those who have the ability to afford private lessons, transportation to bigger draw clubs/coaches, strength coaches. Its the timeless private vs public school sports argument. Outliers being public schools in the richest of cities. Therefore its more likely junior coaches accomplishments may be more related to location and less to ability. I understand that there a plenty of additional factors that contribute to the composition of an individual athlete, there physicality, work ethic, personality type, etc. but without writing a an article on it, i believe most will agree that being an indoor sport, someone has to pay to keep the lights on. |
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Post by moody on Jul 27, 2021 21:15:48 GMT -5
How do you define an accomplished college coach? Personally, I define it as someone who has followed the rules, out worked their competitors, recruited their tails off and built a program to make their divisional tourney repeated years. If they are a lower division program, then made the jump to the next division and done the same or better. The reason I originally asked about accomplished junior coaches is because this is basically a sport of affluence and the playing field is skewed, not a given, in favor of those who have the ability to afford private lessons, transportation to bigger draw clubs/coaches, strength coaches. Its the timeless private vs public school sports argument. Outliers being public schools in the richest of cities. Therefore its more likely junior coaches accomplishments may be more related to location and less to ability. I understand that there a plenty of additional factors that contribute to the composition of an individual athlete, there physicality, work ethic, personality type, etc. but without writing a an article on it, i believe most will agree that being an indoor sport, someone has to pay to keep the lights on. Those "privileged players" are the ones being recruited and are playing for your "accomplished coaches" You know? Those "accomplished coaches" with the huge recruiting budgets. The ones with the new multi million dollar facilities,,, pretty sure you can see where I am going with this. You seem to have a pretty jaded view of club volleyball vs college volleyball. |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Jul 27, 2021 22:27:03 GMT -5
GMS has felt more “culty/drinking the kool aid/follow their science’ in recent years, when I believe the original intent was ‘here is what we studied, this is what we found.’ AND now THESE are the changes!”. What are you seeing from GMS that makes you feel that way? While I don’t agree with a one shoe fits all mentality, which is how its felt to me from day 1. I was turned off by some of the GMS rhetoric 10-15 years ago. In more recent times, ie pre-covid, it’s difficult to hear Speraw as someone who coaches the top US athletes and arguably top college athletes use the “right way” condescendingly. I would think that for a group that studies the game at the highest levels and backs their arguments with their science, they would be willing to concede the right way for best practices or most efficient. To be fair, I feel that the CAP system; while it could be beneficial to get some coaches up to a standardized level of a perceived proficiency, is cost prohibitive for many who could easily test over CAP 1 and home study CAP 2. Maybe this is just my own personal issue, but I believe that while we all strive to teach what we feel is the best technique, our biggest failures as coaches or instructors is a general lack of understanding individual physiological and psychological differences in athletes. Things like tendon and ligament insertion points change the mechanical advantage of levers (limbs). Those things can’t be observed without the use of radiograph or mri technology to my knowledge, but I would believe it could help to prescribe a different technique for individuals based upon how they move or can move. So instead of trying to teach someone how to construct a perfect platform and check their thumbs, why don’t we make sure there arms are the same length first? If we don’t understand how individuals learn or how their minds work, why would we give blocked choreography cues to a kid who dropped out of dance? Or conversely, if we know they spent a lifetime thriving in dance, breakdown cues that work for that process? I’m no doctor of anything, just some observations over the years. Apologies for the tangent from the op, just wanted give a couple examples of where some of the training systems could go that would bring some value in my opinion rather than just disliking something. I do like middle middle defense against the right opponent at the right level. There are additional GMS things i like, also in the right situations. Toshi had some good ones, CAP has some stuff I like...the list will go on but not only one school of thought for me. |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Jul 27, 2021 22:29:34 GMT -5
How do you define an accomplished college coach? I'd say he must be bald, about 75 years old, and have the initials MH. Thats messed up...HM isn’t 75. Leave the Kiwi out of this. 😀 my dyslexia fixed it for you. 🤙🏽 |
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 28, 2021 16:18:16 GMT -5
What are you seeing from GMS that makes you feel that way? While I don’t agree with a one shoe fits all mentality, which is how its felt to me from day 1. I was turned off by some of the GMS rhetoric 10-15 years ago. In more recent times, ie pre-covid, it’s difficult to hear Speraw as someone who coaches the top US athletes and arguably top college athletes use the “right way” condescendingly. I would think that for a group that studies the game at the highest levels and backs their arguments with their science, they would be willing to concede the right way for best practices or most efficient.
I won't speak for Speraw (who I've never known to be condescending, but maybe you had a different experience), but I'll say this. Come out to a GMS clinic and, if you think we're being too dogmatic, I'll personally give you a refund. At the very least you can mock my passing technique  |
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