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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 22, 2021 8:18:57 GMT -5
The question, really, is - is A&M petty enough to jump ship just to get away from UT? A&M left the Big 12 right after ESPN gave Texas a $15 million annual deal for the creation of the Longhorn Network. A&M knew it could not do nothing and fall behind $15 million per year for the next 20 years. Leaving for the SEC was the right decision, especially financially, for Texas A&M.
Now, if A&M tries to block the SEC adding Texas (and Oklahoma), then that costs all existing SEC member schools millions of dollars in future TV revenue. And, it opens the door for Texas possibly trying to join the B1G conference who this year paid its member schools $9 million more than the SEC paid its member schools.
Florida, Georgia and South Carolina formed a pact to keep out Florida State, Miami, Clemson and Georgia Tech. No reason aTm can't join that pact in order to block Texas.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 8:26:09 GMT -5
A&M left the Big 12 right after ESPN gave Texas a $15 million annual deal for the creation of the Longhorn Network. A&M knew it could not do nothing and fall behind $15 million per year for the next 20 years. Leaving for the SEC was the right decision, especially financially, for Texas A&M.
Now, if A&M tries to block the SEC adding Texas (and Oklahoma), then that costs all existing SEC member schools millions of dollars in future TV revenue. And, it opens the door for Texas possibly trying to join the B1G conference who this year paid its member schools $9 million more than the SEC paid its member schools.
Florida, Georgia and South Carolina formed a pact to keep out Florida State, Miami, Clemson and Georgia Tech. No reason aTm can't join that pact in order to block Texas. So, B1G already paid its member schools $9 million more than the SEC paid its member schools for 2020. If some SEC schools don't see the benefits of adding Texas, they should view this and realize Texas could find a home in the B1G, and the SEC falls further behind the B1G in TV revenue:
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 22, 2021 8:27:25 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 22, 2021 8:31:13 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
1. The SEC is already slated to jump the B1G in TV revenue when their deal goes from $55 million annually with CBS to $300 million annually with ABC/ESPN in 2024. Once you add in existing SEC Network money, LHN is pocket change and won't be something which will keep Texas from moving. Plus, ESPN wants out of that deal anyway.
2. TAMU and Mizzou are allegedly (allegedly) hard "no" votes against inviting UT/OU. Throw in the Mississippi schools, which really should be against this, too, and that's enough votes to block it (they need 75% of member schools to offer an invite). But all bets are off when university presidents are making the call.
3. There will likely be political repercussions in both states, but especially Oklahoma. It's the kind of stuff that gets chancellors and presidents in deep trouble.
4. I hate this, but it feels like the real deal.
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Post by vergyltantor on Jul 22, 2021 8:31:44 GMT -5
I noticed that, as well. I figure the conferences don't distribute every penny of the total revenue to their member schools. So, I just went by the "School Payouts" to note the glaring gaps . . .
. The conference also gets a cut, so that may be the difference 8.6 mil to run the B1G conference is understandable, but 91.9 mil to run the SEC. There has to be something wrong with these numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 8:32:22 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. Truth. But no one here is noting that the current media deal with Texas and the Big12 is such that any media money Texas makes through 2025 goes to the Big12 regardless of Texas' actual conference affiliation. Sure, you can say you can negotiate/change that--but the Big 12 would have ZERO incentive to do that. Nebraska left because it couldn't beat Texas in football. Now Texas is leaving because it can't beat the Oklahomas or even Iowa State at football. IF Texas won the last four Big12 football titles, they'd be quite happy in the Big12. The conference realignment I'd like to see is a super-conference of the PAC-whatever and the Big 12. They talk about media ratings--that would lock in the western half of the United States. Play within your geographic region and West Virginia doesn't suffer for being out east.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 8:34:15 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. How many conferences has Texas been in? Sounds like you have your own agenda in this thread . . .
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 8:36:39 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. Truth. But no one here is noting that the current media deal with Texas and the Big12 is such that any media money Texas makes through 2025 goes to the Big12 regardless of Texas' actual conference affiliation. Sure, you can say you can negotiate/change that--but the Big 12 would have ZERO incentive to do that. Nebraska left because it couldn't beat Texas in football. Now Texas is leaving because it can't beat the Oklahomas or even Iowa State at football. IF Texas won the last four Big12 football titles, they'd be quite happy in the Big12. The conference realignment I'd like to see is a super-conference of the PAC-whatever and the Big 12. They talk about media ratings--that would lock in the western half of the United States. Play within your geographic region and West Virginia doesn't suffer for being out east. Yeah, that makes perfect sense considering Oklahoma is coming with Texas to the SEC. And, having to battle Alabama and Georgia for SEC supremacy in football will be easier than remaining in the Big 12 . . .
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Post by vergyltantor on Jul 22, 2021 9:01:33 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. Truth. But no one here is noting that the current media deal with Texas and the Big12 is such that any media money Texas makes through 2025 goes to the Big12 regardless of Texas' actual conference affiliation. Sure, you can say you can negotiate/change that--but the Big 12 would have ZERO incentive to do that. Nebraska left because it couldn't beat Texas in football. Now Texas is leaving because it can't beat the Oklahomas or even Iowa State at football. IF Texas won the last four Big12 football titles, they'd be quite happy in the Big12. The conference realignment I'd like to see is a super-conference of the PAC-whatever and the Big 12. They talk about media ratings--that would lock in the western half of the United States. Play within your geographic region and West Virginia doesn't suffer for being out east. So by this theory Nebraska left the Big 12 because they thought beating Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State and Michigan would be easier than Texas? This is over simplifies and ignores the real reasons for Nebraska to join a more profitable, academically cooperative and stable conference.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 22, 2021 9:08:42 GMT -5
Some thoughts: 1. The SEC is already slated to jump the B1G in TV revenue when their deal goes from $55 million annually with CBS to $300 million annually with ABC/ESPN in 2024. Once you add in existing SEC Network money, LHN is pocket change and won't be something which will keep Texas from moving. Plus, ESPN wants out of that deal anyway. 2. TAMU and Mizzou are allegedly (allegedly) hard "no" votes against inviting UT/OU. Throw in the Mississippi schools, which really should be against this, too, and that's enough votes to block it (they need 75% of member schools to offer an invite). But all bets are off when university presidents are making the call. 3. There will likely be political repercussions in both states, but especially Oklahoma. It's the kind of stuff that gets chancellors and presidents in deep trouble. 4. I hate this, but it feels like the real deal. I have also heard that TAM and MU are no - and speculation that the Mississippi schools s/b no. There has also been an unwritten rule that the SEC goes unanimous on this stuff. Also agree about the political pressures. In the end - I think the money will matter and this has real legs. I don't hate this - I welcome change.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 22, 2021 9:11:34 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. Truth. But no one here is noting that the current media deal with Texas and the Big12 is such that any media money Texas makes through 2025 goes to the Big12 regardless of Texas' actual conference affiliation. Sure, you can say you can negotiate/change that--but the Big 12 would have ZERO incentive to do that. Nebraska left because it couldn't beat Texas in football. Now Texas is leaving because it can't beat the Oklahomas or even Iowa State at football. IF Texas won the last four Big12 football titles, they'd be quite happy in the Big12. The conference realignment I'd like to see is a super-conference of the PAC-whatever and the Big 12. They talk about media ratings--that would lock in the western half of the United States. Play within your geographic region and West Virginia doesn't suffer for being out east. This argument doesn't make a lot of sense. Texas is leaving because they can't beat Oklahoma. Okay, but they're going to join Oklahoma in a tougher football conference? It won't be any easier for Texas to win the SEC than it was for them to win the Big 12.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 22, 2021 9:12:05 GMT -5
Should know soon if it is happening. If it does, the Big 12 is dead. Agreed. There is no path that makes the B12 still a p5 conference that doesn't include Notre Dame (and that isn't happening).
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 9:15:12 GMT -5
. The conference also gets a cut, so that may be the difference 8.6 mil to run the B1G conference is understandable, but 91.9 mil to run the SEC. There has to be something wrong with these numbers.
I believe SI's listed payouts per school matches what both the B1G and SEC reported to the media.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 22, 2021 9:17:50 GMT -5
Some thoughts: 1. The SEC is already slated to jump the B1G in TV revenue when their deal goes from $55 million annually with CBS to $300 million annually with ABC/ESPN in 2024. Once you add in existing SEC Network money, LHN is pocket change and won't be something which will keep Texas from moving. Plus, ESPN wants out of that deal anyway. 2. TAMU and Mizzou are allegedly (allegedly) hard "no" votes against inviting UT/OU. Throw in the Mississippi schools, which really should be against this, too, and that's enough votes to block it (they need 75% of member schools to offer an invite). But all bets are off when university presidents are making the call. 3. There will likely be political repercussions in both states, but especially Oklahoma. It's the kind of stuff that gets chancellors and presidents in deep trouble. 4. I hate this, but it feels like the real deal. I have also heard that TAM and MU are no - and speculation that the Mississippi schools s/b no. There has also been an unwritten rule that the SEC goes unanimous on this stuff. Also agree about the political pressures. In the end - I think the money will matter and this has real legs. I don't hate this - I welcome change. I mean, the school where I work probably won't be affected by this but chaos is bad for business. Also: WVU/Baylor/KState/Iowa St are fcked.
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Post by volleav on Jul 22, 2021 9:23:53 GMT -5
Maybe not a no from Mizzou
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