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Post by stevehorn on Jul 22, 2021 9:28:17 GMT -5
Some thoughts: 1. The SEC is already slated to jump the B1G in TV revenue when their deal goes from $55 million annually with CBS to $300 million annually with ABC/ESPN in 2024. Once you add in existing SEC Network money, LHN is pocket change and won't be something which will keep Texas from moving. Plus, ESPN wants out of that deal anyway. 2. TAMU and Mizzou are allegedly (allegedly) hard "no" votes against inviting UT/OU. Throw in the Mississippi schools, which really should be against this, too, and that's enough votes to block it (they need 75% of member schools to offer an invite). But all bets are off when university presidents are making the call. 3. There will likely be political repercussions in both states, but especially Oklahoma. It's the kind of stuff that gets chancellors and presidents in deep trouble. 4. I hate this, but it feels like the real deal. 1. LHN isn't a consideration from the Texas end either. They will more than replace the LHN money in a new conference deal. Also the SECN and BTN are close (if not already there) in matching the payout per school that Texas receives from LHN. I'm not sure about the UT administration, but most of the alumni/fanbase could care less if LHN goes away. As you also say, I don't believe ESPN wants to extend the life of LHN. If Texas ends up in the SEC, most likely ESPN incorporates LHN into the SEC Network. 2. You will hear a lot of public posturing right now, but my bet is that the SEC will not give up the value of UT/OU in a new TV contract to the BIG (I'm sure that's the #2 choice of UT/OU). Not sure where the hard "no" from Missouri is coming from. It's not being mentioned by those much closer to the scene. The buzz around Missouri is that they may want to go to the BIG. 3. There will be more political noise in Oklahoma. Not enough to stop this. OU has many times the clout politically than Oklahoma State. Probably be resolved with OU agreeing to play OSU OOC every year. Any noise in Texas poltiics will be weak. The breakup of the SWC was emotional because it was a Texas conference. Also Baylor had a perfect storm at the time because the top 3 politicians in the state - governor, lt. governor, speaker of the house - were all Baylor grads or had strong ties to the school. That clout no longer exists for them. As an aside, the current governor of Texas is a UT grad and a long-time football season ticket holder. 4. This was always going to happen when it came time for the new TV contracts. Texas and OU were always going elsewhere because of the money. Only thing new is the SEC which we didn't think would be a desire by UT. The NIL and 12 team football playoff has changed that dynamic.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 9:35:33 GMT -5
From a volleyball perspective, the conference strength of the SEC is better for Texas than the Big 12. Despite having 16 member schools, I really hope the conference schedule will allow for Texas, Florida, Kentucky, and Mizzou to play each other every season; but, I don't think that will be the case.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 22, 2021 9:38:08 GMT -5
I have also heard that TAM and MU are no - and speculation that the Mississippi schools s/b no. There has also been an unwritten rule that the SEC goes unanimous on this stuff. Also agree about the political pressures. In the end - I think the money will matter and this has real legs. I don't hate this - I welcome change. I mean, the school where I work probably won't be affected by this but chaos is bad for business. Also: WVU/Baylor/KState/Iowa St are fcked. The speculation yesterday was this for the remainder of the conference. Kansas - prediction is BIG. WVU - possibility for ACC to make a 16 team conference if ND becomes a full-time (meaning football) member. Iowa State - possibility for BIG. Another BIG possibility is Missouri moving from the SEC. Baylor/TCU/Tech/OSU/KSU - fcked unless the Pac 12 decides to expand. These schools aren't the PAC's ideal choices. However the pool for PAC 12 to pick is weak so I could see Tech and OSU ending up there.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 9:42:04 GMT -5
If Mizzou had the option of reuniting with Kansas in the B1G, I think they'd do it.
That would then force the SEC to find a replacement for Mizzou. Not sure who that would be.
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Post by jayj79 on Jul 22, 2021 9:52:35 GMT -5
If you don't play each conference opponent every year in football, and have a home-and-home with every conference opponent every year in basketball/volleyball, then your conference has too many members.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 22, 2021 9:54:46 GMT -5
If you don't play each conference opponent every year in football, and have a home-and-home with every conference opponent every year in basketball/volleyball, then your conference has too many members. We passed this point many years ago. More teams = more content = bigger $$ TV contracts.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 22, 2021 9:55:32 GMT -5
Can the SEC survive Texas? The Horns wreck every conference they touch. How many conferences has Texas been in? Sounds like you have your own agenda in this thread . . . So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12?
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Post by trojansc on Jul 22, 2021 9:56:43 GMT -5
If you don't play each conference opponent every year in football, and have a home-and-home with every conference opponent every year in basketball/volleyball, then your conference has too many members. That's like every single football conference. AAC, ACC, Pac-12, Big Ten, SEC, Sun Belt, Mountain West, etc. All of the good ones except the Big 12.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 22, 2021 9:57:02 GMT -5
How many conferences has Texas been in? Sounds like you have your own agenda in this thread . . . So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12? Do you ever engage your limited brain cells before you post?
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Post by knapplc on Jul 22, 2021 9:58:00 GMT -5
How many conferences has Texas been in? Sounds like you have your own agenda in this thread . . . So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12? I imagine the answers to this question will vary widely depending on the fandom of the answerer. Texas fan - no, not at all. Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Houston, etc... yeah. They'll have a different answer.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 10:04:34 GMT -5
How many conferences has Texas been in? Sounds like you have your own agenda in this thread . . . So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12? Arkansas left the SWC to join the SEC in the early 90's. Texas remained until several schools (A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Texas) decided to merge with the Big 8 conference. So, yeah, all that was Texas' fault (in your eyes).
Not everyone will agree as to exactly why Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Mizzou left the Big 12. Not worth debating it as you're mind is made up that it was ALL Texas' fault (and no one else's).
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 22, 2021 10:05:08 GMT -5
So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12? Do you ever engage your limited brain cells before you post? Says the guy who has to resort to ad hominem. Thank you for conceding the debate via logical fallacy. Texas is absolutely toxic to their host conference, and it will be fun watching them bring down the evil empire of the SEC.
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Post by dodger on Jul 22, 2021 10:07:46 GMT -5
So they didn't wreck the SWC and the Big 12? I imagine the answers to this question will vary widely depending on the fandom of the answerer. Texas fan - no, not at all. Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Houston, etc... yeah. They'll have a different answer. SWC needed texas: texas didnt need SWC big 12 needs texas: texas doesnt need Big 12 SEC Doesn't need texas Texas needs SEC
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jul 22, 2021 10:10:20 GMT -5
Do you ever engage your limited brain cells before you post? Says the guy who has to resort to ad hominem. Thank you for conceding the debate via logical fallacy. Texas is absolutely toxic to their host conference, and it will be fun watching them bring down the evil empire of the SEC. I’m no Texas fan but this is silly. It would be mutually beneficial to both parties.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 22, 2021 10:11:31 GMT -5
Do you ever engage your limited brain cells before you post? Says the guy who has to resort to ad hominem. Thank you for conceding the debate via logical fallacy. Texas is absolutely toxic to their host conference, and it will be fun watching them bring down the evil empire of the SEC. Does any SEC school come close to having the recent football scandals that Ohio State has had the past decade? Talk about being "toxic" . . .
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