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Post by donut on Jul 23, 2021 14:08:52 GMT -5
I'm genuinely asking you to reconsider. You're an active participant and that's good for the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 14:13:26 GMT -5
So for the freshman rule, is it a blanket rule for all freshman that competed in the fall/spring season as freshman? Like some rosters are labeling them as sophomores
Like Madi Skinner, for a random example, would meet that requirement (just so I understand it right)
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Post by donut on Jul 23, 2021 14:13:37 GMT -5
The reason why I that as potentially complicated is because not only these subs will allow people to optimize their rosters after seeing opponent results, but that it means that people shouldn't want to post their subs until seeing what their opponent subs. It could be a waiting game to post at the last minute to decide which sub gives you a better outcome, but you won't know that until seeing which player your opponent subbed? We anticipated this and discussed it. As background, we liked the idea of introducing a sub you could use freely (based on performance) because that mimics real volleyball! We liked the dynamic nature of it too - your strategy can shift a bit based on a killer performance from someone on the bench. And yes, it means you need to also keep track of your opponents bench players and anticipate who they might sub in. The race to last minute thing seemed unavoidable. However, if posters send the admins their subs, we can hold off on posting them until after the deadline, that way everyone's subs are unknown (and again, it kind of creates a fun new guessing game).
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Post by donut on Jul 23, 2021 14:15:26 GMT -5
So for the freshman rule, is it a blanket rule for all freshman that competed in the fall/spring season as freshman? Like some rosters are labeling them as sophomores Like Madi Skinner, for a random example, would meet that requirement (just so I understand it right) Yes. Because we knew teams would label everyone differently, we tried to make the 2 player requirement cover all forms of "freshman." At least two of the 14 athletes on the team roster must be a true or redshirt freshman in their first season of collegiate competition, a freshman that competed in the fall 2020 or spring 2021 seasons, or a freshman that medically redshirted after the 2019 season started.
Madi Skinner qualifies because of the underlined.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 23, 2021 14:31:23 GMT -5
Pre-determined substitutions is more work for the admins, and requiring players to actively substitute each week encourages engagement. We understand concerns about COVID, etc., but personally, I think these concerns (as of right now) are fringe cases. We gave 10 add/drops (70% of your team) and 4 substitutions per week -- that's a ton of flexibility. I'd also ask people to remember that in past years, if you had an injured player, you were sh*t out of luck! We've come a long way since then. No, the rules don't accommodate 14 players who are out on COVID protocol, and posters might get lucky one or two weeks if they have multiple players out. If it becomes an issue, we can always readjust the rules fairly. I appreciate all of your explanations and ideas about the rules (including your latest post). I agree that we have came a long way because of a lot learning and attempting to create the best, fair, competitive systems. I'm also hoping that COVID cancellations are much less this season and that 4 subs should cover that for most scenarios, especially with not as much back-to-back competition, meaning the likelihood of getting in one match is better as more often than not people will have multiple opponents scheduled per week! What do you mean though by pre-determined substitutions more work for the admins? The only thing required of admins is listing the sub order in the active rosters, the subs automatically do themselves.
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Post by donut on Jul 23, 2021 14:36:16 GMT -5
We considered it to be more complicated. Again, we want participants to stay engaged each week -- forcing participants to actively sub out non-playing players encourages that. That was our primary motivator. If a poster is engaged, functionally there should be no difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 15:07:17 GMT -5
We considered it to be more complicated. Again, we want participants to stay engaged each week -- forcing participants to actively sub out non-playing players encourages that. That was our primary motivator. If a poster is engaged, functionally there should be no difference. is there a particular thought or reason behind not unlimited add/drops after the draft/before the season? My concern is there are a *ton* of rosters that aren't available yet.
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Post by donut on Jul 23, 2021 15:20:08 GMT -5
We considered it to be more complicated. Again, we want participants to stay engaged each week -- forcing participants to actively sub out non-playing players encourages that. That was our primary motivator. If a poster is engaged, functionally there should be no difference. is there a particular thought or reason behind not unlimited add/drops after the draft/before the season? My concern is there are a *ton* of rosters that aren't available yet. Unlimited add/drops are a nightmare for admins. And they kind of encourage recklessness and benefit people who can just sit on Volleytalk all day (no shade to anyone). We can reassess the # closer to July 30, but we felt strongly about fixing the # this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 15:28:04 GMT -5
is there a particular thought or reason behind not unlimited add/drops after the draft/before the season? My concern is there are a *ton* of rosters that aren't available yet. Unlimited add/drops are a nightmare for admins. And they kind of encourage recklessness and benefit people who can just sit on Volleytalk all day (no shade to anyone). We can reassess the # closer to July 30, but we felt strongly about fixing the # this year. Okay gotcha. But that would be more engagement, which is what you want. With the free subs, thats more work for the admins and also that benefits people who are a bit reckless (with always knowing there is a sub to fall back on) Just thoughts. I probably have too many lol
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Post by eazy on Jul 23, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -5
is there a particular thought or reason behind not unlimited add/drops after the draft/before the season? My concern is there are a *ton* of rosters that aren't available yet. Unlimited add/drops are a nightmare for admins. And they kind of encourage recklessness and benefit people who can just sit on Volleytalk all day (no shade to anyone). We can reassess the # closer to July 30, but we felt strongly about fixing the # this year. Definitely understand and respect the getting rid of the 'unlimited' part. Appreciate the fact that you're making changes in an attempt to make it more fair/engaging and appreciate that some of the changes are to make the job of admin less stressful because there are only two and you're not actually playing. Not trying to insinuate you're doing/have done anything wrong with the rules you've made. Just wanted to make that all clear from the start. I could see a rule where the add/drops are limited to one per day per player to keep it reasonable for the admins to keep track of through the first week, and then a set number (like 5-10) for the rest of the season.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 23, 2021 15:38:27 GMT -5
Definitely understand and respect the getting rid of the 'unlimited' part. Appreciate the fact that you're making changes in an attempt to make it more fair/engaging and appreciate that some of the changes are to make the job of admin less stressful because there are only two and you're not actually playing. Not trying to insinuate you're doing/have done anything wrong with the rules you've made. Just wanted to make that all clear from the start. I could see a rule where the add/drops are limited to one per day per player to keep it reasonable for the admins to keep track of through the first week, and then a set number (like 5-10) for the rest of the season. +1 to all of that. Unlimited shouldn't be abused. I think you shouldn't drop like the same roster spot over and over again. It is hard to keep track of and organize, but, we even had participants step up and help that last year too. I know there were other people willing to assist the admins (including you) so there could be help with that, hopefully. I really like your suggestion, something that could be evaluated for the future too. There's so much uncertainty in week 1 with 6-ros going to DS, 5-1 setters to 6-2's, unknown injuries that aren't made public. I think that 1 per day, a smaller number, or similar is totally reasonable. Unlimited through week 3 last year was very intense, not ideal. Another interesting wrinkle could be you must make all your week 1 add/drops in one single post. That would be a lot easier to track, and would mean people wouldn't anxiously *jump* on one player having a good match, or allow for everyone who is not watching at that time a theoretical chance, too. The flip side is it means you must draft VERY well and those players could be benefitted. With 10 add drops, you are stuck with 4 players for the entire season regardless with no change. That doesn't seem hard or extreme, but, there's a lot of uncertainty. After week 1 though, 10 add/drops almost seems like too many!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 16:11:46 GMT -5
Wasn't sure about top 100 when I first saw it... but finishing my spreadsheets... I kinda dig it (minus missing a few teams, but nothing's perfect)
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 23, 2021 16:43:39 GMT -5
Ok, I'm ready to draft through about round 10.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 23, 2021 16:45:04 GMT -5
It’s in order of who we like the most. But we won’t say if it’s ascending or descending. goodnight hmmmmm I'm going to vote descending.
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Post by eazy on Jul 23, 2021 16:49:20 GMT -5
It’s in order of who we like the most. But we won’t say if it’s ascending or descending. goodnight hmmmmm I'm going to vote descending. I'm either honored or offended, not sure which.
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