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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2021 0:16:44 GMT -5
Umm, I have never seen it declared that a DS counts a as a L. A DS can rotate to the front row, a L cannot. It was made clear in 2018, and has been accepted as obvious since. I have a couple of questions kind of related to this discussion. Similar to Kelli Bates situation where it was unsure, Let's say Scully is listed on USC's roster (it's not up yet) as an L/OH. If she is drafted as a libero, but ends up hitting in week 2 for example, can she stay on the roster as an L, and someone could use her at that position, obviously her blocks and kills wouldn't count, but I'm just wondering with the new position requirements if she could stay classified as a libero for the 14-player roster minimums or not. Now, on the other hand, say Scully is classified as L/OH and fills one of our two "Any" positions on 14-player-roster. Could we use her as either an active L or active OH for those roster minimums then depending on which position she played the week prior? Or do the two 'any' position players always have to be put in the three 'any' positions on the 10-player active week roster?
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Post by Fight On! on Jul 26, 2021 0:32:42 GMT -5
Umm, I have never seen it declared that a DS counts a as a L. A DS can rotate to the front row, a L cannot. It was made clear in 2018, and has been accepted as obvious since. If I understand your reference, that was a decision made in response to a singular attempt by one player to count a former DS, known to be a S for the upcoming season as a L, not as a S. The question raised above is not the same situation at all. He is asking if he can take a player who’s likely to DS if it suits his purposes. Why would Penny Tusa have to be a L when she’s there to attack as well? Why couldn’t someone draft a DS as an OH?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 5:23:08 GMT -5
It was made clear in 2018, and has been accepted as obvious since. If I understand your reference, that was a decision made in response to a singular attempt by one player to count a former DS, known to be a S for the upcoming season as a L, not as a S. The question raised above is not the same situation at all. He is asking if he can take a player who’s likely to DS if it suits his purposes. Why would Penny Tusa have to be a L when she’s there to attack as well? Why couldn’t someone draft a DS as an OH? The Blossom Fiasco™ was in 2019, not 2018. I'm referring specifically to the language in the rules in 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 5:32:55 GMT -5
It was made clear in 2018, and has been accepted as obvious since. I have a couple of questions kind of related to this discussion. Similar to Kelli Bates situation where it was unsure, Let's say Scully is listed on USC's roster (it's not up yet) as an L/OH. If she is drafted as a libero, but ends up hitting in week 2 for example, can she stay on the roster as an L, and someone could use her at that position, obviously her blocks and kills wouldn't count, but I'm just wondering with the new position requirements if she could stay classified as a libero for the 14-player roster minimums or not. Now, on the other hand, say Scully is classified as L/OH and fills one of our two "Any" positions on 14-player-roster. Could we use her as either an active L or active OH for those roster minimums then depending on which position she played the week prior? Or do the two 'any' position players always have to be put in the three 'any' positions on the 10-player active week roster? I believe that the rules are clear on this: Scully's position would change. If she was drafted as a L, but hits in week 2, she can only be played as an OH in week 3 and her position becomes OH on the team roster. No one has an "any" position. Those spots are just there for flexibility in week 1 while some athletes' positions are in flux.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2021 10:36:07 GMT -5
Scully's position would change. If she was drafted as a L, but hits in week 2, she can only be played as an OH in week 3 and her position becomes OH on the team roster. No one has an "any" position. Those spots are just there for flexibility in week 1 while some athletes' positions are in flux. Oh okay, so any of the 14 players can be put in any of the 10 active spots since there is nobody with an 'undefined' position, even in the any spot. Just for an additional situation, if someone plays multiple positions in the same week, do they get both positions the following week, or, does it matter what position they played in the last set or match, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 11:15:45 GMT -5
Scully's position would change. If she was drafted as a L, but hits in week 2, she can only be played as an OH in week 3 and her position becomes OH on the team roster. No one has an "any" position. Those spots are just there for flexibility in week 1 while some athletes' positions are in flux. Oh okay, so any of the 14 players can be put in any of the 10 active spots since there is nobody with an 'undefined' position, even in the any spot. Just for an additional situation, if someone plays multiple positions in the same week, do they get both positions the following week, or, does it matter what position they played in the last set or match, for example? I don’t even understand half the hypotheticals you’re suggesting and asking about lol
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2021 11:23:43 GMT -5
Oh okay, so any of the 14 players can be put in any of the 10 active spots since there is nobody with an 'undefined' position, even in the any spot. Just for an additional situation, if someone plays multiple positions in the same week, do they get both positions the following week, or, does it matter what position they played in the last set or match, for example? I don’t even understand half the hypotheticals you’re suggesting and asking about lol Well, I've seen them happen. The last question is saying what happens when someone plays libero in match 1 and outside in match 2 of the same week, for example. Do they get both positions for the following week, or just OH (second match). Things can get weird. This spring, one of my players last year changed positions like every week, one in three straight weeks. 5-1 setter, S/OPP, and 5-1 OPP. Another player had an internship (if I remember that's what vbfamily said) at Dixie State that caused those changes as she would only play certain games.
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Post by donut on Jul 26, 2021 11:39:20 GMT -5
I don’t even understand half the hypotheticals you’re suggesting and asking about lol Well, I've seen them happen. The last question is saying what happens when someone plays libero in match 1 and outside in match 2 of the same week, for example. Do they get both positions for the following week, or just OH (second match). Things can get weird. This spring, one of my players last year changed positions like every week, one in three straight weeks. 5-1 setter, S/OPP, and 5-1 OPP. Another player had an internship (if I remember that's what vbfamily said) at Dixie State that caused those changes as she would only play certain games. The way the rules are written, that player would count as an OH. And your example only has 1 position change, since this year, we are counting S/OPPs as OHs. I think your questions are fringe cases. But based on your hypotheticals, maybe there are two big takeaways here: - Since players playing out of position locks them into that position for at least one week, maybe strategically, posters should take into consideration whether teams have a lot of question marks going into the season, or a lack of depth.
- As with everything, let @allamerican11 and I know if this becomes a frequent issue, and we can reevaluate.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 26, 2021 11:44:40 GMT -5
Is it draft day yet?
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2021 11:46:42 GMT -5
Well, I've seen them happen. The last question is saying what happens when someone plays libero in match 1 and outside in match 2 of the same week, for example. Do they get both positions for the following week, or just OH (second match). The way the rules are written, that player would count as an OH. Thanks. I was assuming by the wording that 'by 8am monday' means last match played and any prior match that same week is irrelevant, but just wanted to make sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 11:55:15 GMT -5
Speaking of positions... maybe this is dumb but is there a particular reason why S/Opps have to be OH? Is it just to blanket cover the position in case they only hit? I'm just covering all of my bases, setters may be tight
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Post by donut on Jul 26, 2021 12:02:28 GMT -5
Speaking of positions... maybe this is dumb but is there a particular reason why S/Opps have to be OH? Is it just to blanket cover the position in case they only hit? I'm just covering all of my bases, setters may be tight S/OPPs have been used to "cheat the system" in the past. If you use S/OPPs as setters, you gain a real kills advantage and likely give up assists. S/OPPs also seem to be the position where there's the most back-and-forth (i.e. she's a S/OPP this week, setting in a 5-1 the next week, etc.). We wanted to keep things simple and we wanted to create incentives/structures that encourage going for all 5 categories every week (hence, the bumped up points for a 5-0 win).
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 26, 2021 12:07:49 GMT -5
Speaking of positions... maybe this is dumb but is there a particular reason why S/Opps have to be OH? Is it just to blanket cover the position in case they only hit? I'm just covering all of my bases, setters may be tight S/OPPs have been used to "cheat the system" in the past. If you use S/OPPs as setters, you gain a real kills advantage and likely give up assists. S/OPPs also seem to be the position where there's the most back-and-forth (i.e. she's a S/OPP this week, setting in a 5-1 the next week, etc.). We wanted to keep things simple and we wanted to create incentives/structures that encourage going for all 5 categories every week (hence, the bumped up points for a 5-0 win). Hmmmm do you really think we are all going to structure our draft and weekly rosters with the intention of winning all 5 categories each week? That’s a pretty big gamble.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2021 12:14:50 GMT -5
S/OPPs have been used to "cheat the system" in the past. If you use S/OPPs as setters, you gain a real kills advantage and likely give up assists. S/OPPs also seem to be the position where there's the most back-and-forth (i.e. she's a S/OPP this week, setting in a 5-1 the next week, etc.). We wanted to keep things simple and we wanted to create incentives/structures that encourage going for all 5 categories every week (hence, the bumped up points for a 5-0 win). The first part wasn't my experience. When I had two S/OPPs actively playing, I lost kills practically every single week and won assists every week. The back and forth part is true. If the other setter gets injured, you know the S/OPP is going 5-1.
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Post by donut on Jul 26, 2021 12:14:55 GMT -5
S/OPPs have been used to "cheat the system" in the past. If you use S/OPPs as setters, you gain a real kills advantage and likely give up assists. S/OPPs also seem to be the position where there's the most back-and-forth (i.e. she's a S/OPP this week, setting in a 5-1 the next week, etc.). We wanted to keep things simple and we wanted to create incentives/structures that encourage going for all 5 categories every week (hence, the bumped up points for a 5-0 win). Hmmmm do you really think we are all going to structure our draft and weekly rosters with the intention of winning all 5 categories each week? That’s a pretty big gamble. Gamble? How is it a gamble? I'm not betting/risking anything lol. And of course not -- hence why I used the words incentives and encourage. A 5-0 victory being twice as valuable as a 3-2 victory is pretty good motivation.
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