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Post by bbg95 on Jul 26, 2021 15:02:00 GMT -5
Obviously the coach's fault. A loss with that great a talent disparity almost has to be the coach's fault. When one team has the top 5 players and 9 of the top 10 in the game? And the coach got to pick his team? How can it be anything else? Well, arguably the issues are more with roster construction than with the coaching, and a lot of top players didn't want to participate, so Popovich didn't really get to pick everyone he would want. A similar thing happened in 2004 when we definitely had the most talented team, but the roster wasn't built particularly well for basically the same reasons, and a team like Argentina was built much better, so the talent differential didn't matter. FIBA rules are also different than NBA rules, and that is a factor. So, for example, the FIBA officials are less likely to reward flopping than NBA officials are, which is kind of ironic because some European players like Vlade Divac are the ones who pioneered flopping in the NBA in the first place. Goaltending and defensive three seconds are also different. With all that being said, I agree that some of the blame absolutely has to fall on the coaching staff, even if a lot is also on the players.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 26, 2021 15:08:31 GMT -5
With under a minute and the US with possession and down 2 points Kevin Durant missed THREE uncontested 3s and we kept get long rebounds and Holiday missed a corner 3. After that series the fat lady was done singing and exiting the building!! Obviously the coach's fault. Should never have come down to that...bottom line, US went in with an 8 point lead at the half, and got out scored by 14 in the third...France made adjustments, the US didn't...there is enough talent on that team that they should win Gold, and should never have been in a spot to lob up desperation 3's in the 4th....
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2021 15:29:47 GMT -5
A loss with that great a talent disparity almost has to be the coach's fault. When one team has the top 5 players and 9 of the top 10 in the game? And the coach got to pick his team? How can it be anything else? Well, arguably the issues are more with roster construction than with the coaching, and a lot of top players didn't want to participate, so Popovich didn't really get to pick everyone he would want. A similar thing happened in 2004 when we definitely had the most talented team, but the roster wasn't built particularly well for basically the same reasons, and a team like Argentina was built much better, so the talent differential didn't matter. FIBA rules are also different than NBA rules, and that is a factor. So, for example, the FIBA officials are less likely to reward flopping than NBA officials are, which is kind of ironic because some European players like Vlade Divac are the ones who pioneered flopping in the NBA in the first place. Goaltending and defensive three seconds are also different. With all that being said, I agree that some of the blame absolutely has to fall on the coaching staff, even if a lot is also on the players. Who built the roster? There was a pool of 60 or so guys, of whom 30-50 were better than France's second best player and probably a dozen were better than France's best player - depending on your taste. But even with this roster, its bad coaching. We have the 8 or 9 of the best defenders, but France shot close to 50%. We have the best scorer on Earth, Dame, Tatum, Lavine, and Devin Booker and who led the team in shots? Jrue Holiday. Holiday shot 40% in the playoffs and 36% in the finals. Not from 3, overall. Agree the players are blameworthy, but its still the fault of Pop because these are the players he picked and the players he chose to play.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 26, 2021 15:34:57 GMT -5
Well, arguably the issues are more with roster construction than with the coaching, and a lot of top players didn't want to participate, so Popovich didn't really get to pick everyone he would want. A similar thing happened in 2004 when we definitely had the most talented team, but the roster wasn't built particularly well for basically the same reasons, and a team like Argentina was built much better, so the talent differential didn't matter. FIBA rules are also different than NBA rules, and that is a factor. So, for example, the FIBA officials are less likely to reward flopping than NBA officials are, which is kind of ironic because some European players like Vlade Divac are the ones who pioneered flopping in the NBA in the first place. Goaltending and defensive three seconds are also different. With all that being said, I agree that some of the blame absolutely has to fall on the coaching staff, even if a lot is also on the players. Who built the roster? There was a pool of 60 or so guys, of whom 30-50 were better than France's second best player and probably a dozen were better than France's best player - depending on your taste. But even with this roster, its bad coaching. We have the 8 or 9 of the best defenders, but France shot close to 50%. We have the best scorer on Earth, Dame, Tatum, Lavine, and Devin Booker and who led the team in shots? Jrue Holiday. Holiday shot 40% in the playoffs and 36% in the finals. Not from 3, overall. Agree the players are blameworthy, but its still the fault of Pop because these are the players he picked and the players he chose to play. Sure, I'm not excusing Popovich. The buck has to stop with him.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 27, 2021 0:42:49 GMT -5
Obviously the coach's fault. A loss with that great a talent disparity almost has to be the coach's fault. When one team has the top 5 players and 9 of the top 10 in the game? And the coach got to pick his team? How can it be anything else? Was the coach the one out there on the floor missing the open shots?
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 27, 2021 14:39:31 GMT -5
A loss with that great a talent disparity almost has to be the coach's fault. When one team has the top 5 players and 9 of the top 10 in the game? And the coach got to pick his team? How can it be anything else? Was the coach the one out there on the floor missing the open shots? I agree to an extent...yes, the players lobbed up bricks at the end....BUT, it NEVER EVER should have gotten to that point against France. France made adjustments at the half and skinned the US in the third....and the players are admittedly frustrated with Pop's offensive game plan...again, not time to go full panic mode yet...this team has enough talent to win the Gold and has a great game to work out the issues tomorrow. I don't see them losing to Iran...
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Post by tamz on Jul 27, 2021 14:49:05 GMT -5
They were up 7 points with 3 minutes to spare and then France just launched a comeback. Embarrassing.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 28, 2021 9:11:59 GMT -5
US didnt have a team in mens 3 on 3?
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Post by tamz on Jul 28, 2021 9:14:19 GMT -5
US didnt have a team in mens 3 on 3? Nope… but women’s win gold in 3x3!
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Post by huskersrule95 on Jul 28, 2021 9:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Jul 28, 2021 9:22:58 GMT -5
Thanks. TIL there is a FIBA 3 on 3 World Tour
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Post by pelican on Jul 28, 2021 9:54:31 GMT -5
3x3 Basketball is completely pointless if countries aren't going to send their best players. I know USA women sent some WNBA players and won, but I don't even think most of these male players were even top-flight pros in European leagues. I think the rules/format are decent, but it's a bunch of guys jacking up long shots and driving for lay-ups. It looks like the hoop is 12 feet tall because these dudes never dunk it.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 28, 2021 11:28:50 GMT -5
I think one-on-one basketball would be far more interesting as an Olympic event than three-on-three.
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Post by huskersrule95 on Aug 6, 2021 23:47:43 GMT -5
USA men beat France 87-82 for the Gold medal
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Post by tamz on Aug 7, 2021 0:15:29 GMT -5
USA men beat France 87-82 for the Gold medal Watching the last 3.5 minutes felt like 15 minutes.
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