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Post by maplespear on Aug 15, 2021 13:35:10 GMT -5
Has there been Chinese cases like this in the past that has been successful in catching the culprit. What is Zhu's ultimate goal in suing? Does she want jail time for these trolls, accountability, an apology. Wonder what's driving it.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 15, 2021 21:43:45 GMT -5
Has there been Chinese cases like this in the past that has been successful in catching the culprit. What is Zhu's ultimate goal in suing? Does she want jail time for these trolls, accountability, an apology. Wonder what's driving it. At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards".
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 15, 2021 22:29:04 GMT -5
Has there been Chinese cases like this in the past that has been successful in catching the culprit. What is Zhu's ultimate goal in suing? Does she want jail time for these trolls, accountability, an apology. Wonder what's driving it. 1. The problematic accounts can be closed. (some already are as of Aug 15)
2. Zhu is not the only one subjected to this online nonsense, nor the most severe. But she is the most recognized. By taking action, she can lead the way for other players.
3. It's ultimately about money. Although the women's volleyball national team is popular, the market is only big enough for a couple of people. There's Lang Ping and Zhu Ting. That's a very large portion of the market. Some fans speculate that because some national team members or their "fan clubs" are not happy with their slice of the pie, they try to bring Zhu down with malicious rumours so they can have a bigger slice. So if this is true, it's her taking rightful action to protect her interests. Remember she was in Vakifbank from 2016-19 and didn't really get much of the recognition in terms of endorsement contracts unlike some of her teammates at Rio.
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4. Also, although the popularity increased significantly after Rio, the discourse has also become extremely toxic; maybe this lawsuit can get some of the trolls/paid shills to shut up.
I don't know which of the factors Zhu considered, but I would guess at least (1) and (3).
Most of the 'official' media outlets (people's daily, various CYL's of different provinces, etc) have re-posted this news. So she will likely win.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 15, 2021 22:29:32 GMT -5
Has there been Chinese cases like this in the past that has been successful in catching the culprit. What is Zhu's ultimate goal in suing? Does she want jail time for these trolls, accountability, an apology. Wonder what's driving it. At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards". open apology?? come on, nobody even knows these trolls, who cares if they apologize?
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 15, 2021 22:33:04 GMT -5
At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards". open apology?? come on, nobody even knows these trolls, who cares if they apologize? Zhu cares, so it's what she wants, not what you and I want.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 15, 2021 22:39:40 GMT -5
open apology?? come on, nobody even knows these trolls, who cares if they apologize? Zhu cares, so it's what she wants, not what you and I want. If that's all she wanted then they will just disappear and resurface under another account.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 15, 2021 22:44:29 GMT -5
Zhu cares, so it's what she wants, not what you and I want. If that's all she wanted then they will just disappear and resurface under another account. Now where did I say that's all she cares? Besides, you need to register with your real name (+address proof) on many Chinese social media. It's not so easy for them to just disappear and resurface without a trace.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 15, 2021 22:53:34 GMT -5
If that's all she wanted then they will just disappear and resurface under another account. Now where did I say that's all she cares? Besides, you need to register with your real name (+address proof) on many Chinese social media. It's not so easy for them to just disappear and resurface without a trace. Well, one of the accounts were banned already from weibo, and I doubt the owner behind it will come out and apologize.
Anyways, I don't think an apology would mean anything, they'd just be sorry they got caught.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 15, 2021 23:11:30 GMT -5
Now where did I say that's all she cares? Besides, you need to register with your real name (+address proof) on many Chinese social media. It's not so easy for them to just disappear and resurface without a trace. Well, one of the accounts were banned already from weibo, and I doubt the owner behind it will come out and apologize.
Anyways, I don't think an apology would mean anything, they'd just be sorry they got caught.
Again, where did I say she ONLY wants an apology? Banned account means that guy has a record, which means it will be much harder for him to go online on Chinese social media platforms in the future. The emphasis here is on deterrence.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 15, 2021 23:48:18 GMT -5
Well, one of the accounts were banned already from weibo, and I doubt the owner behind it will come out and apologize.
Anyways, I don't think an apology would mean anything, they'd just be sorry they got caught.
Again, where did I say she ONLY wants an apology? Banned account means that guy has a record, which means it will be much harder for him to go online on Chinese social media platforms in the future. The emphasis here is on deterrence. Where did I say that you said she only wants an apology? In the scope of everything here an insincere apology is not worth much.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 16, 2021 0:05:07 GMT -5
Again, where did I say she ONLY wants an apology? Banned account means that guy has a record, which means it will be much harder for him to go online on Chinese social media platforms in the future. The emphasis here is on deterrence. Where did I say that you said she only wants an apology? In the scope of everything here an insincere apology is not worth much. Oh it is worth more than you realize. Again, its deterrence.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 16, 2021 21:02:45 GMT -5
Has there been Chinese cases like this in the past that has been successful in catching the culprit. What is Zhu's ultimate goal in suing? Does she want jail time for these trolls, accountability, an apology. Wonder what's driving it. At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards". There is a theory that they, the authorities, see these forums as harmless and it takes the people's minds off of the politics, so they allow the toxic discussions to continue. Same theory that explains why both China and Taiwan embraced unfettered free markets. The idea is a Faustian bargain: we make everyone rich and have them spend all their time thinking of ways to make more money, this way they won't have time to be subversive and meddle in politics.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 16, 2021 21:19:09 GMT -5
At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards". There is a theory that they, the authorities, see these forums as harmless and it takes the people's minds off of the politics, so they allow the toxic discussions to continue. Same theory that explains why both China and Taiwan embraced unfettered free markets. The idea is a Faustian bargain: we make everyone rich and have them spend all their time thinking of ways to make more money, this way they won't have time to be subversive and meddle in politics. That reminds me, Communists say "religion is the opium of the masses". But now they seem to be using sports as the "opium" of the masses.
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 17, 2021 13:16:06 GMT -5
At least an open apology I suspect. It's always interesting to note for a country with such strict censorship, Chinese sport forums are relatively free-wheeling. They can be quite nasty too...hence why some call these trolls "online red guards". open apology?? come on, nobody even knows these trolls, who cares if they apologize? By definition, trolls are unable to apologize.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Aug 17, 2021 17:07:13 GMT -5
There is a theory that they, the authorities, see these forums as harmless and it takes the people's minds off of the politics, so they allow the toxic discussions to continue. Same theory that explains why both China and Taiwan embraced unfettered free markets. The idea is a Faustian bargain: we make everyone rich and have them spend all their time thinking of ways to make more money, this way they won't have time to be subversive and meddle in politics. That reminds me, Communists say "religion is the opium of the masses". But now they seem to be using sports as the "opium" of the masses. Online gaming is now the opium of the youth. www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/china-online-gaming-addiction-curbs-546417.htmlOops, times up. Gotta get back to Age of Z.
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