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Post by pepperbrooks on Sept 23, 2021 11:02:32 GMT -5
No offense to Bannister but she's not better than Deberg So what are you saying? That she is not up to your standards, but does that matter in a team game? She is a part of the lineup that is really good so missing her is not that big of a deal? ? What about missing her and the other three starters? #HeadFake Missing Bannister alone is huge. Along with those others, it's hard to overcome.
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 23, 2021 11:03:57 GMT -5
I'm a little puzzled by the 'Bannister and 3 starters' claim. That's speculative, imo.
Bannister is recovering from something and limited. She did play two sets last night vs Arkansas, but she was clearly not herself.
Rose is not in the lineup, but ... I don't know if that's a health situation or a coach's decision (she's 'not traveling with the team,' per the announcers last night, which sounds like a polite way of saying 'coach's decision').
Dotson started at OH last night. Is she not "a starter"? Who is to say that Brister would be starting, or Flickinger, if she were healthy, would beat out Dotson? Maybe, maybe not. Brister played last night, also, though I don't know if she is limited or not.
Fran's lineup decisions are baffling (and they were last year, as well) - and that is on her, not injuries. She has a roster with only one trained setter on it, and that setter is not playing. Whose fault is that?
I'm not trying to hate on Fran, who overall has built a good program at LSU. But it is NOT unreasonable to look at the talent that she has had pass through her program (recruiting does not seem to be the Tigers' issue) and question why there has not been more success. She will have had a marquee talent like Bannister for 5 years, and if form holds for this year, they will have made it to the NCAAT with her just once - her freshman year.
I get the tendency to defend Fran, but the results on the floor are not great, and it's not unfair to point it out.
Do I think she'll be fired? Unlikely. But I think the situation merits some questions. YMMV.
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Post by sclawman on Sept 23, 2021 11:06:03 GMT -5
No offense to Bannister but she's not better than Deberg So what are you saying? That she is not up to your standards, but does that matter in a team game? She is a part of the lineup that is really good so missing her is not that big of a deal? ? What about missing her and the other three starters? #HeadFake You stated that she was LSU's best player. And I say it's Deberg. #ReadingIsFundamental
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 23, 2021 11:22:24 GMT -5
So what are you saying? That she is not up to your standards, but does that matter in a team game? She is a part of the lineup that is really good so missing her is not that big of a deal? ? What about missing her and the other three starters? #HeadFake You stated that she was LSU's best player. And I say it's Deberg. #ReadingIsFundamental #ReadingIsFundamental I didn't say it, @volleyballmag said it. Are you just perfecting your VT non sequiturs?
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 23, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5
Well if he just signed a new contract his seats not hot. Also he was a success at AZ State because of their OH they had there; who happens to be his asst now. He did inherit a mess and now has a program the kids can be proud of. I can't see how he gets on the hot seat unless things fall apart Why would clubs keep a new coach out of their gym because of the coach who was asked to leave by an SEC university? Not buying that part of the story. Sorry if I wasn't clear. The club programs were the ones who made the previous Arkansas staff members personae non grata because of the bad experiences their athletes had had at Arkansas under Robbie. It wasn't the university's decision. Do you think that a school that has been banned from recruiting a club program is, just like that, going to have big success with that club because they bring in a new staff? The ban goes away, but the years of bad word-of-mouth doesn't just vanish overnight. Arkansas has just two scholarship kids from Texas (which is where the problems were) on their roster (two others are walk-ons). I'm not trying to say that if it hadn't been for this situation, the Hogs would be crushing Texas recruiting and would be a better program, but it has definitely been a factor that Watson has had to deal with in trying to rebuild the program.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 23, 2021 13:19:29 GMT -5
Why would clubs keep a new coach out of their gym because of the coach who was asked to leave by an SEC university? Not buying that part of the story. Sorry if I wasn't clear. The club programs were the ones who made the previous Arkansas staff members personae non grata because of the bad experiences their athletes had had at Arkansas under Robbie. It wasn't the university's decision. Do you think that a school that has been banned from recruiting a club program is, just like that, going to have big success with that club because they bring in a new staff? The ban goes away, but the years of bad word-of-mouth doesn't just vanish overnight. Arkansas has just two scholarship kids from Texas (which is where the problems were) on their roster (two others are walk-ons). I'm not trying to say that if it hadn't been for this situation, the Hogs would be crushing Texas recruiting and would be a better program, but it has definitely been a factor that Watson has had to deal with in trying to rebuild the program. Yeah, this kind of thing matters. I don't know much about Texas vb clubs, but alienating the local AAU clubs is part of why Ben Howland was fired at UCLA.
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Post by rtael on Sept 23, 2021 13:25:02 GMT -5
You stated that she was LSU's best player. And I say it's Deberg. #ReadingIsFundamental #ReadingIsFundamental I didn't say it, @volleyballmag said it. Which doesn't change the fact that your response still didn't make any sense.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 23, 2021 13:27:34 GMT -5
It's not about right now. LSU's track record the past years has just not been good. They limped into the tournament in 2017 for their only appearance recently (and I don't think they should have even gotten in) and I'm not convinced they're going to make it this year (when they were at 'full strength' anyways - what did they do that was significant?)
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Sept 23, 2021 13:34:34 GMT -5
LSU is without four starters, its best player in Taylor Bannister, the setter, and two OHs. Yeah, the talent is there, it's just not in uniform. No offense to Bannister but she's not better than Deberg Agreed there, DeBerg is better. No wonder LSU, is struggling. I for sure thought they would stir up the pot in the SEC this year with both of them there.
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Post by jake on Sept 23, 2021 17:15:30 GMT -5
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The club programs were the ones who made the previous Arkansas staff members personae non grata because of the bad experiences their athletes had had at Arkansas under Robbie. It wasn't the university's decision. Do you think that a school that has been banned from recruiting a club program is, just like that, going to have big success with that club because they bring in a new staff? The ban goes away, but the years of bad word-of-mouth doesn't just vanish overnight. Arkansas has just two scholarship kids from Texas (which is where the problems were) on their roster (two others are walk-ons). I'm not trying to say that if it hadn't been for this situation, the Hogs would be crushing Texas recruiting and would be a better program, but it has definitely been a factor that Watson has had to deal with in trying to rebuild the program. Yeah, this kind of thing matters. I don't know much about Texas vb clubs, but alienating the local AAU clubs is part of why Ben Howland was fired at UCLA. I think Ben Howland lost his job when CAL POLY beat the Bruins Men's Basketball in Nov. 2012!
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 23, 2021 17:20:37 GMT -5
Yeah, this kind of thing matters. I don't know much about Texas vb clubs, but alienating the local AAU clubs is part of why Ben Howland was fired at UCLA. I think Ben Howland lost his job when CAL POLY beat the Bruins Men's Basketball in Nov. 2012! I mean, that may have been the final straw. There were a lot of factors. Coaches are almost never fired for a single loss.
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Post by eazy on Sept 25, 2021 20:48:36 GMT -5
Whoever is complaining about Shane Davis must have ulterior motives. They’re competing well with Illinois. They took a set from Nebraska. Are they national contenders? No. But they’re decent. Unlike some people would have you believe, Northwestern is not Stanford. Looking forward to watching their upward trajectory.
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Post by n00b on Sept 25, 2021 21:34:25 GMT -5
Whoever is complaining about Shane Davis must have ulterior motives. They’re competing well with Illinois. They took a set from Nebraska. Are they national contenders? No. But they’re decent. Unlike some people would have you believe, Northwestern is not Stanford. Looking forward to watching their upward trajectory. This is season 6 and they lost to Northern Colorado, New Mexico State, UTEP and DePaul. Oh, and the team cancelled matches in the spring for non-COVID related issues. The standard isn't Stanford. It's to at least sniff the NCAA tournament bubble every once in a while.
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Post by eazy on Sept 25, 2021 21:44:21 GMT -5
Whoever is complaining about Shane Davis must have ulterior motives. They’re competing well with Illinois. They took a set from Nebraska. Are they national contenders? No. But they’re decent. Unlike some people would have you believe, Northwestern is not Stanford. Looking forward to watching their upward trajectory. This is season 6 and they lost to Northern Colorado, New Mexico State, UTEP and DePaul. Oh, and the team cancelled matches in the spring for non-COVID related issues. The standard isn't Stanford. It's to at least sniff the NCAA tournament bubble every once in a while. Northern Colorado is legit. New Mexico St and UTEP I didn’t watch. DePaul is pretty good this year. No one knows what happened with the canceled matches last year because it wasn’t publicized. Is that good? No. But it isn’t a nail in the coffin. Northwestern hasn’t been consistently any worse since he took over than MSU or Michigan, or Indiana, Maryland (minus the big win), or Rutgers for that matter. Who said that’s the standard? Just because they’re in the B1G? I’d say they’re in the bubble right now.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Sept 25, 2021 23:44:55 GMT -5
Won't be in the bubble. Won't even be considered to get a sniff at the tournament simply cause they won't be above .500
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