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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 28, 2021 9:28:35 GMT -5
Do we anticipate staff changes being announced in some places as soon as Monday? Is there a top assistant at a Power 5 or a top mid-major coach that we think are going to be gone after? Is Monday the 29th "Black Monday" or whatever it's called? When lots of coaches get let go? Often, yes. Unless you’re USC, when you let your coach *just miss* the final four and then whack him with no notice while he’s at the convention.
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 28, 2021 13:33:24 GMT -5
With all the attention on Josh Taylor at Mizzou, I'm wondering another SEC situation isn't just as tenuous: Lindsay Devine at Alabama.
They have trended downward the three years she's been at the helm, and she has made the roster over almost entirely with her own recruits with bad results. Her best player, Aliyah Wells, bailed on the team partway through the season and is now in the portal.
In Ed Allen's last year (2018), they were 20-12 overall and 7-11 in the SEC.
Year 1 (2019): 12-17, 4-14 (wins over Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and Auburn, finished SEC on an 8 match schneid) Year 2 (2020/COVID): 7-15 (SEC only) Year 3 (2021): 10-20, 2-16 (wins over Mizzou and South Carolina, finished SEC on a 10 match schneid)
On the bright(?) side, they do return a decent chunk of their youthful roster next year, but lose Marjama (and apparently Janek, based on Senior Day photo). Swanson should be out of eligibility, as well, I think.
Is three years too fast for a change, despite the diminishing returns? I assume she gets another year, but her program isn't looking like an improvement over Ed Allen's, tbh.
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Post by volleav on Nov 28, 2021 17:43:06 GMT -5
With all the attention on Josh Taylor at Mizzou, I'm wondering another SEC situation isn't just as tenuous: Lindsay Devine at Alabama. They have trended downward the three years she's been at the helm, and she has made the roster over almost entirely with her own recruits with bad results. Her best player, Aliyah Wells, bailed on the team partway through the season and is now in the portal. In Ed Allen's last year (2018), they were 20-12 overall and 7-11 in the SEC. Year 1 (2019): 12-17, 4-14 (wins over Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and Auburn, finished SEC on an 8 match schneid) Year 2 (2020/COVID): 7-15 (SEC only) Year 3 (2021): 10-20, 2-16 (wins over Mizzou and South Carolina, finished SEC on a 10 match schneid) On the bright(?) side, they do return a decent chunk of their youthful roster next year, but lose Marjama (and apparently Janek, based on Senior Day photo). Swanson should be out of eligibility, as well, I think. Is three years too fast for a change, despite the diminishing returns? I assume she gets another year, but her program isn't looking like an improvement over Ed Allen's, tbh. Swanson & Marjama are the only two graduating. Janek wasn't honored. Looked like a support person. Manager or trainer maybe? This year's freshman are her first class of recruits, with the exemption of transfers (Kuck and Muckelroy remaining). I think if they fix their ball control and some experience to their team (6-freshman 3- sophmores) they can turn the program around. She deserves another year I think to work and train these players. It would be interesting to see how many of the younger teams overall did with so many seniors/super senior teams playing.
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 28, 2021 19:14:02 GMT -5
Yep, thanks - I saw the 20 on the jersey and went right to the roster and looked up 22. #brainfart.
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Post by Friday on Nov 28, 2021 19:28:46 GMT -5
With all the attention on Josh Taylor at Mizzou, I'm wondering another SEC situation isn't just as tenuous: Lindsay Devine at Alabama. They have trended downward the three years she's been at the helm, and she has made the roster over almost entirely with her own recruits with bad results. Her best player, Aliyah Wells, bailed on the team partway through the season and is now in the portal. In Ed Allen's last year (2018), they were 20-12 overall and 7-11 in the SEC. Year 1 (2019): 12-17, 4-14 (wins over Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and Auburn, finished SEC on an 8 match schneid) Year 2 (2020/COVID): 7-15 (SEC only) Year 3 (2021): 10-20, 2-16 (wins over Mizzou and South Carolina, finished SEC on a 10 match schneid) On the bright(?) side, they do return a decent chunk of their youthful roster next year, but lose Marjama (and apparently Janek, based on Senior Day photo). Swanson should be out of eligibility, as well, I think. Is three years too fast for a change, despite the diminishing returns? I assume she gets another year, but her program isn't looking like an improvement over Ed Allen's, tbh. Agree. But why all the turnover. I don't have numbers off hand, but lots of transfers and players that have left the team. Definitely a head scratcher.
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 28, 2021 19:31:28 GMT -5
Well, some roster turnover is clearly to be expected with a coaching change, and some of the youngsters who have left (as volleav pointed out) were Allen’s recruits. Overall, though, the picture doesn’t look great, imo.
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Post by volleav on Nov 28, 2021 23:01:42 GMT -5
With all the attention on Josh Taylor at Mizzou, I'm wondering another SEC situation isn't just as tenuous: Lindsay Devine at Alabama. They have trended downward the three years she's been at the helm, and she has made the roster over almost entirely with her own recruits with bad results. Her best player, Aliyah Wells, bailed on the team partway through the season and is now in the portal. In Ed Allen's last year (2018), they were 20-12 overall and 7-11 in the SEC. Year 1 (2019): 12-17, 4-14 (wins over Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and Auburn, finished SEC on an 8 match schneid) Year 2 (2020/COVID): 7-15 (SEC only) Year 3 (2021): 10-20, 2-16 (wins over Mizzou and South Carolina, finished SEC on a 10 match schneid) On the bright(?) side, they do return a decent chunk of their youthful roster next year, but lose Marjama (and apparently Janek, based on Senior Day photo). Swanson should be out of eligibility, as well, I think. Is three years too fast for a change, despite the diminishing returns? I assume she gets another year, but her program isn't looking like an improvement over Ed Allen's, tbh. Agree. But why all the turnover. I don't have numbers off hand, but lots of transfers and players that have left the team. Definitely a head scratcher. Turnover with a new coach isn't unusual. I don't think any transfers have left. Barrowdale, Kuhlman, Fisbeck, St. Jermain all graduated. Marjama and Swanson graduating this year. Mulkroy and Kuck remain. Maybe I'm missing one of Devine's transfers in.
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Post by sclawman on Nov 28, 2021 23:06:15 GMT -5
Agree. But why all the turnover. I don't have numbers off hand, but lots of transfers and players that have left the team. Definitely a head scratcher. Turnover with a new coach isn't unusual. I don't think any transfers have left. Barrowdale, Kuhlman, Fisbeck, St. Jermain all graduated. Marjama and Swanson graduating this year. Mulkroy and Kuck remain. Maybe I'm missing one of Devine's transfers in. Doris Carter transferred in and then out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:42:17 GMT -5
So from your original list, here is who is left that didn't make the tournament: Pac 12: Oregon State (5-25, Conf Rank: 11th/12) Colorado (15-14, Conf Rank: 10th/12) Big 10: Maryland (19-13, Conf Rank: 10th/14) Michigan State (11-18, Conf Rank: 11th/14) Big 12: TCU (8-18, Conf Rank: 10th/10) SEC: Georgia (12-17, Conf Rank: 8th/13) Arkansas (19-10, Conf Rank: 6th/13) *NIVC* Alabama (10-20, Conf Rank: 12th/13) LSU (13-14, Conf Rank: 7th/13) WCC: LMU (17-11, Conf Rank: 7th/10) SMC (15-12, Conf Rank: 5th/10) Pacific (13-16, Conf Rank: 4th/10) *NIVC*MWC: New Mexico (20-10, Conf Rank: 5th/11) Fresno State (12-14, Conf Rank: 8th/11) Nevada (3-26, Conf Rank: 11th/11) Posting my opinions... -keep in mind, this is women's volleyball, not men's basketball or football. The majority of the coaches won't have their contract renewed not fired or resigned. Not unless a donor is willing to buy out the contract, no one is being given money to not coach volleyball. -Hot Seat can always turn warm or cold. -contracts will expire unless something happens -just my opinion, I don't think anyone should be fired, I think the following has a warm seat at least. I was hesitant to put Tennessee on the list but given the track record of their AD, championships or bust or self-proclaimed championship or bust. I do think the power 5 coaches will have more difficult time trying to get ahead. Oklahoma and Texas will be 2-4 difficult games for coaches listed below, do they lose a tournament for conference games? Big 12 is the Little 8, can ADs justify those salaries when the tv money is cut in half? Pac-12 Oregon St. (8-30 last 2 pac12) Oregon (42-36 last 4 pac12) Colorado (23-37 last 3 pac12) Big 10 Iowa (8-32 last 2, big10) *GoneMaryland (19-41 last 3, big10) Michigan St (14-41 last 3, big 10) Michigan (28-25 last 3, big 10) Big12 TCU (14-34 big 12 last 3) Kansas St (22-42 big 12 last 4) Kansas (20-28 big 12 last 3) SEC Georgia (new ad, 36-40 in sec) Arkansas (24-38 in the last three sec seasons) Alabama (11-29 in sec) LSU (25-38 in sec last three) Mississippi St (8-52 in sec) Tennessee (new ad, 21-17 in sec last 2 seasons) WCC Loyola (26-26 in wcc, 1st losing season in 10 years) St Marys (25-28 in wcc last three) Pacific (15-30 in wcc last three) MWC New Mexico Fresno St Nevada BW Long Beach St (24-25 in bw) *GoneUCI UC Davis ACC UNC Miami I predicted 2 so far, I anticipate 3 more from the above list
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:13:20 GMT -5
Ole miss is in the tournament but will have at least 1 opening on their staff.
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Post by azvolleydad on Nov 29, 2021 13:18:47 GMT -5
Where's all the black Monday news?
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Post by veebznerd on Nov 29, 2021 13:53:38 GMT -5
Where's all the black Monday news? Right? It's not looking so "black" right now. Who's got tea?
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Post by shawty on Nov 29, 2021 16:27:58 GMT -5
Since 9/1, there are six in the portal. But with 4 of them being graduate transfers, that doesn't necessarily mean there are problems in the program (it also doesn't mean there aren't problems). Maybe there weren’t scholarships for the grad years so the players are exploring other options? Y’all might wanna check that portal again. Rumor has it might be up to 8 and counting.
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 29, 2021 16:57:24 GMT -5
Turnover with a new coach isn't unusual. I don't think any transfers have left. Barrowdale, Kuhlman, Fisbeck, St. Jermain all graduated. Marjama and Swanson graduating this year. Mulkroy and Kuck remain. Maybe I'm missing one of Devine's transfers in. Doris Carter transferred in and then out. Yes, but she transferred in under Allen and played for him for a year, at least, I believe. So she'd be an Allen recruit, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 17:41:06 GMT -5
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