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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 6:14:16 GMT -5
I can agree mostly but I think that Surf will match, if not surpass, B2B on the outside power just because of the hitting mentality the B2B pins have. Snoey and Duross have a huge problem with shot selection. I can agree that throwing in a tip every once in a while is a good idea but at the higher levels of play, tipping 30-60 percent of the time won't (and didn't) work against a scrappy Surf team with their libero Bakos. Honestly, I think that B2B might be a little overrated just in terms of them as a team; yes, they are probably the most physical team in USA but I'd like to remind everyone that defense wins championships and as of right now I think that Surf has serve receive and defense on lock. B2B on the other hand has a good libero; however, both Snoey and Duross are very shaky passers. Again don't get me wrong I agree mostly with your points. Wagner is a beast. Still not sure why all we can ever talk about is B2B and Surf. While they are both very good teams and probably in top 5 not sure why we always say they are the best and then they choke. They got beat! If they were really the best they would have won. You have to win when the pressure is on. Give credit to the teams that beat them and beat them when it mattered. 352 and MVC beat them and beat them when it mattered. Both teams were very very good. Not sure how you count them out. As well as OCVC. another really great team. There are other teams out there besides B2B and Surf. Well to answer your question, look at the forum title. BaytoBay is hard NOT to talk about. They won every single tournament leading up to BJNC in a convincing fashion (Far Westerns, JBI, and Socal Cup) and “choked” and ended up getting 3rd at BJNC. Now they added one of the best middles in the class to there roster and you can see how things are adding up For MB Surf, they were reigned as the best until this year. And with the addition of Dillion Klein, one of the best players in his class. How can we NOT talk about them? What else are we going to talk about? Thompson and his miracle run to win gold at BJNC thats not going to happen again? No. Or 352 with there undersized star player just like Keau? OCVC is intresting as Rowan is going to be playing with his age group but don’t think he can elevate his team enough to be on the same level as Surf or B2B. And yes performing at BJNC is important when assessing how players and teams will do next year, but we can’t just look at that only. If we were to, we can be saying how PacRim is going to be so good after they got 2nd at 18OPEN BJNC with 3 17’s players in there starting line up! But no thats not how it works and we all know how they are going to be. You can’t JUST look at BJNC, look at the whole body of work Someone earlier also said “Defense wins Championships”, yeah have you seen B2Bs blocking? Surf has the edge on them on passing I agree, but B2Bs blocking might be the best I have seen in quite a while at the junior level. Wagner is the best blocking player in the country. Both there middles are not too slow all things consider and get a solid block up. And Snoey is a great blocker as well. Duross is “average” for his position but when Duross and the 6’3 setter are your weakest blockers, id say thats one hell of a defensive force
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Post by zerotempo on Aug 24, 2021 22:15:32 GMT -5
Still not sure why all we can ever talk about is B2B and Surf. While they are both very good teams and probably in top 5 not sure why we always say they are the best and then they choke. They got beat! If they were really the best they would have won. You have to win when the pressure is on. Give credit to the teams that beat them and beat them when it mattered. 352 and MVC beat them and beat them when it mattered. Both teams were very very good. Not sure how you count them out. As well as OCVC. another really great team. There are other teams out there besides B2B and Surf. Well to answer your question, look at the forum title. BaytoBay is hard NOT to talk about. They won every single tournament leading up to BJNC in a convincing fashion (Far Westerns, JBI, and Socal Cup) and “choked” and ended up getting 3rd at BJNC. Now they added one of the best middles in the class to there roster and you can see how things are adding up For MB Surf, they were reigned as the best until this year. And with the addition of Dillion Klein, one of the best players in his class. How can we NOT talk about them? What else are we going to talk about? Thompson and his miracle run to win gold at BJNC thats not going to happen again? No. Or 352 with there undersized star player just like Keau? OCVC is intresting as Rowan is going to be playing with his age group but don’t think he can elevate his team enough to be on the same level as Surf or B2B. And yes performing at BJNC is important when assessing how players and teams will do next year, but we can’t just look at that only. If we were to, we can be saying how PacRim is going to be so good after they got 2nd at 18OPEN BJNC with 3 17’s players in there starting line up! But no thats not how it works and we all know how they are going to be. You can’t JUST look at BJNC, look at the whole body of work Someone earlier also said “Defense wins Championships”, yeah have you seen B2Bs blocking? Surf has the edge on them on passing I agree, but B2Bs blocking might be the best I have seen in quite a while at the junior level. Wagner is the best blocking player in the country. Both there middles are not too slow all things consider and get a solid block up. And Snoey is a great blocker as well. Duross is “average” for his position but when Duross and the 6’3 setter are your weakest blockers, id say thats one hell of a defensive force Couldn't agree more.
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Post by passserve on Aug 24, 2021 22:53:50 GMT -5
Is Read going to coach Balboa 18s? I wouldn't count them out. Balboa will likely get some players who will want to play under Read.
18s is often hard to predict. Some players will decide they do not to go to nationals after the high school volleyball season or may not be motivated to practice seriously and that always can make predictions very difficult. Teams may lose depth and/or focus.
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Post by chico on Aug 25, 2021 10:50:13 GMT -5
Still not sure why all we can ever talk about is B2B and Surf. While they are both very good teams and probably in top 5 not sure why we always say they are the best and then they choke. They got beat! If they were really the best they would have won. You have to win when the pressure is on. Give credit to the teams that beat them and beat them when it mattered. 352 and MVC beat them and beat them when it mattered. Both teams were very very good. Not sure how you count them out. As well as OCVC. another really great team. There are other teams out there besides B2B and Surf. Well to answer your question, look at the forum title. BaytoBay is hard NOT to talk about. They won every single tournament leading up to BJNC in a convincing fashion (Far Westerns, JBI, and Socal Cup) and “choked” and ended up getting 3rd at BJNC. Now they added one of the best middles in the class to there roster and you can see how things are adding up For MB Surf, they were reigned as the best until this year. And with the addition of Dillion Klein, one of the best players in his class. How can we NOT talk about them? What else are we going to talk about? Thompson and his miracle run to win gold at BJNC thats not going to happen again? No. Or 352 with there undersized star player just like Keau? OCVC is intresting as Rowan is going to be playing with his age group but don’t think he can elevate his team enough to be on the same level as Surf or B2B. And yes performing at BJNC is important when assessing how players and teams will do next year, but we can’t just look at that only. If we were to, we can be saying how PacRim is going to be so good after they got 2nd at 18OPEN BJNC with 3 17’s players in there starting line up! But no thats not how it works and we all know how they are going to be. You can’t JUST look at BJNC, look at the whole body of work Someone earlier also said “Defense wins Championships”, yeah have you seen B2Bs blocking? Surf has the edge on them on passing I agree, but B2Bs blocking might be the best I have seen in quite a while at the junior level. Wagner is the best blocking player in the country. Both there middles are not too slow all things consider and get a solid block up. And Snoey is a great blocker as well. Duross is “average” for his position but when Duross and the 6’3 setter are your weakest blockers, id say thats one hell of a defensive force What middle did B2B recruit?
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Post by bzzt on Aug 25, 2021 10:56:48 GMT -5
Well to answer your question, look at the forum title. BaytoBay is hard NOT to talk about. They won every single tournament leading up to BJNC in a convincing fashion (Far Westerns, JBI, and Socal Cup) and “choked” and ended up getting 3rd at BJNC. Now they added one of the best middles in the class to there roster and you can see how things are adding up For MB Surf, they were reigned as the best until this year. And with the addition of Dillion Klein, one of the best players in his class. How can we NOT talk about them? What else are we going to talk about? Thompson and his miracle run to win gold at BJNC thats not going to happen again? No. Or 352 with there undersized star player just like Keau? OCVC is intresting as Rowan is going to be playing with his age group but don’t think he can elevate his team enough to be on the same level as Surf or B2B. And yes performing at BJNC is important when assessing how players and teams will do next year, but we can’t just look at that only. If we were to, we can be saying how PacRim is going to be so good after they got 2nd at 18OPEN BJNC with 3 17’s players in there starting line up! But no thats not how it works and we all know how they are going to be. You can’t JUST look at BJNC, look at the whole body of work Someone earlier also said “Defense wins Championships”, yeah have you seen B2Bs blocking? Surf has the edge on them on passing I agree, but B2Bs blocking might be the best I have seen in quite a while at the junior level. Wagner is the best blocking player in the country. Both there middles are not too slow all things consider and get a solid block up. And Snoey is a great blocker as well. Duross is “average” for his position but when Duross and the 6’3 setter are your weakest blockers, id say thats one hell of a defensive force What middle did B2B recruit? Hersh
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Post by bzzt on Aug 25, 2021 11:01:07 GMT -5
Is Read going to coach Balboa 18s? I wouldn't count them out. Balboa will likely get some players who will want to play under Read. 18s is often hard to predict. Some players will decide they do not to go to nationals after the high school volleyball season or may not be motivated to practice seriously and that always can make predictions very difficult. Teams may lose depth and/or focus. Even with a few new people joining Balboa, I still do not see them even close to competing with top level teams. Balboa is heavily to reliant on their outside hitter and the talent quite frankly is not there. I do not see them competing with the likes of MB Surf, Bay to Bay, and OCVC. The highest I could see balboa place is maybe in the middle of the silver bracket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 13:37:02 GMT -5
Well to answer your question, look at the forum title. BaytoBay is hard NOT to talk about. They won every single tournament leading up to BJNC in a convincing fashion (Far Westerns, JBI, and Socal Cup) and “choked” and ended up getting 3rd at BJNC. Now they added one of the best middles in the class to there roster and you can see how things are adding up For MB Surf, they were reigned as the best until this year. And with the addition of Dillion Klein, one of the best players in his class. How can we NOT talk about them? What else are we going to talk about? Thompson and his miracle run to win gold at BJNC thats not going to happen again? No. Or 352 with there undersized star player just like Keau? OCVC is intresting as Rowan is going to be playing with his age group but don’t think he can elevate his team enough to be on the same level as Surf or B2B. And yes performing at BJNC is important when assessing how players and teams will do next year, but we can’t just look at that only. If we were to, we can be saying how PacRim is going to be so good after they got 2nd at 18OPEN BJNC with 3 17’s players in there starting line up! But no thats not how it works and we all know how they are going to be. You can’t JUST look at BJNC, look at the whole body of work Someone earlier also said “Defense wins Championships”, yeah have you seen B2Bs blocking? Surf has the edge on them on passing I agree, but B2Bs blocking might be the best I have seen in quite a while at the junior level. Wagner is the best blocking player in the country. Both there middles are not too slow all things consider and get a solid block up. And Snoey is a great blocker as well. Duross is “average” for his position but when Duross and the 6’3 setter are your weakest blockers, id say thats one hell of a defensive force What middle did B2B recruit? Christopher Hersh, 6’9 UCLA commit. He was formally on MVVC who won many SCVA titles as him and Patrick Kane two manned showed. But it got too much for them to handle and couldn’t carry the rest of the team as far as I could tell. The MB2 spot seemed replaceable and Hersh is an excellent replacement. He is a face we continuously see in USAV training programs as well and seems to be a great kid as far as I could tell. He was baby sitting his former team with the exception of Kane when they were at BJNC. I remember this one instance when there OH2 got roofed and he threw a fit and Hersh seemed to try keeping everything calm. He is going to be a great addition
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 12:32:15 GMT -5
What middle did B2B recruit? Christopher Hersh, 6’9 UCLA commit. He was formally on MVVC who won many SCVA titles as him and Patrick Kane two manned showed. But it got too much for them to handle and couldn’t carry the rest of the team as far as I could tell. The MB2 spot seemed replaceable and Hersh is an excellent replacement. He is a face we continuously see in USAV training programs as well and seems to be a great kid as far as I could tell. He was baby sitting his former team with the exception of Kane when they were at BJNC. I remember this one instance when there OH2 got roofed and he threw a fit and Hersh seemed to try keeping everything calm. He is going to be a great addition They might have the tallest set of middles on any 18s team ever
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 21:23:11 GMT -5
Christopher Hersh, 6’9 UCLA commit. He was formally on MVVC who won many SCVA titles as him and Patrick Kane two manned showed. But it got too much for them to handle and couldn’t carry the rest of the team as far as I could tell. The MB2 spot seemed replaceable and Hersh is an excellent replacement. He is a face we continuously see in USAV training programs as well and seems to be a great kid as far as I could tell. He was baby sitting his former team with the exception of Kane when they were at BJNC. I remember this one instance when there OH2 got roofed and he threw a fit and Hersh seemed to try keeping everything calm. He is going to be a great addition They might have the tallest set of middles on any 18s team ever 6’11 and 6’9 is quite hard to beat
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Post by bumpsetspike99 on Sept 10, 2021 13:36:47 GMT -5
there setter is definitely there “weakest” but i would consider them favorites, I was told that there new setter, that was his first year setting and you could tell. But he still offers solid blocking, which B2B accels in. I’d argue thays there strongest upside That being said, I think B2B has the highest chance of winning compared to any other team. Snoey and Duross are easily the most physical pair of outsides on any roster, and although there is no doubt that Klein is going to have a massive impact, I don't think Loncar is going to be able to hold up his end. Additionally, in matches with such dominant offensive outsides, strong right side blockers are key, and I think Wagner is just about the top blocker in the country. I'm excited to see what Klein can do against such an imposing blocker. Beyond that, I think the middles and their ability to effectively block will be another key part of the matchup, and B2B wins in that category as well. I can see the argument for Vena being one, if not the number one, of the top offensive middles in the country. While Sprague can find him well in a decent amount of situations, I think that the middles' primary jobs will be blocking in this matchup. With such powerful outsides, it's important to put up solid blocks and expect plenty of 1 or 2 digs that don't allow the middles to be run offensively. With this in mind, I think both B2B middles beat Vena blocking wise, although his offense is at a higher level. Hersh has the size and speed and is more effective at getting out to block and putting up bigger blocks. The same can be said for middle #2, Thomas, in my opinion, because his speed is comparable with that of Vena but the size of his block is much bigger. While the B2B setter might be lacking what Sprague has, I think the sheer attacking and blocking power of the rest of their lineup outweighs this; there is not one hole in the rest of the B2B lineup, they're the closest thing to a superteam we've seen in a long time. As for both team's back row, there libbers are similar in my opinion, both very solid. The passing might be slightly better at Surf, but not enough to make a difference. My money is on B2B, easily, although an upset is well within the realm of possibility. Who is naming them the best blocking team?? Bakos at the end of set 1 was tooling Wagner and getting by him with ease when they went on a huge run. Sprague could run his middle at will against this team as well.
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Post by vballking123 on Sept 10, 2021 14:27:46 GMT -5
Christopher Hersh, 6’9 UCLA commit. He was formally on MVVC who won many SCVA titles as him and Patrick Kane two manned showed. But it got too much for them to handle and couldn’t carry the rest of the team as far as I could tell. The MB2 spot seemed replaceable and Hersh is an excellent replacement. He is a face we continuously see in USAV training programs as well and seems to be a great kid as far as I could tell. He was baby sitting his former team with the exception of Kane when they were at BJNC. I remember this one instance when there OH2 got roofed and he threw a fit and Hersh seemed to try keeping everything calm. He is going to be a great addition They might have the tallest set of middles on any 18s team ever Vanguard last year had the tallest set of middles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 21:20:00 GMT -5
That being said, I think B2B has the highest chance of winning compared to any other team. Snoey and Duross are easily the most physical pair of outsides on any roster, and although there is no doubt that Klein is going to have a massive impact, I don't think Loncar is going to be able to hold up his end. Additionally, in matches with such dominant offensive outsides, strong right side blockers are key, and I think Wagner is just about the top blocker in the country. I'm excited to see what Klein can do against such an imposing blocker. Beyond that, I think the middles and their ability to effectively block will be another key part of the matchup, and B2B wins in that category as well. I can see the argument for Vena being one, if not the number one, of the top offensive middles in the country. While Sprague can find him well in a decent amount of situations, I think that the middles' primary jobs will be blocking in this matchup. With such powerful outsides, it's important to put up solid blocks and expect plenty of 1 or 2 digs that don't allow the middles to be run offensively. With this in mind, I think both B2B middles beat Vena blocking wise, although his offense is at a higher level. Hersh has the size and speed and is more effective at getting out to block and putting up bigger blocks. The same can be said for middle #2, Thomas, in my opinion, because his speed is comparable with that of Vena but the size of his block is much bigger. While the B2B setter might be lacking what Sprague has, I think the sheer attacking and blocking power of the rest of their lineup outweighs this; there is not one hole in the rest of the B2B lineup, they're the closest thing to a superteam we've seen in a long time. As for both team's back row, there libbers are similar in my opinion, both very solid. The passing might be slightly better at Surf, but not enough to make a difference. My money is on B2B, easily, although an upset is well within the realm of possibility. Who is naming them the best blocking team?? Bakos at the end of set 1 was tooling Wagner and getting by him with ease when they went on a huge run. Sprague could run his middle at will against this team as well. No one in that age group is good as Bay at blocking, and pretty much everyone who has watched the 17s agrees. If you disagree, quit trying to be special
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Post by bumpsetspike99 on Sept 13, 2021 11:03:11 GMT -5
Rumor has it Rockstar is getting one of MB Surf's middles. This could make Rockstar an instant contender and is a huge loss for Surf. Any other rumors of players leaving/joining teams?
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Post by dude2112 on Sept 13, 2021 11:05:19 GMT -5
Rumor has it Rockstar is getting one of MB Surf's middles. This could make Rockstar an instant contender and is a huge loss for Surf. which middle?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 13:53:15 GMT -5
Oh we got a rumor that a rockstar middle was going to surf This is the correct version of the rumor, Nick Bauer from Rockstar switched to Surf. Not a big deal, definitely an upgrade for Surf but by no means a significant one, he is nowhere near the level of any of the top middles.
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