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Post by guest2 on Sept 21, 2021 20:01:17 GMT -5
2. Speed and quickness. Kloth is very slow by international standards, whereas Kelly has improved her mobility every year, she isn't quick like some of the smaller blockers, but she is fairly mobile for a blocker. 3. Dropping off the net. Taryn is incredibly weak at this skill. (Its the single area most in need of improvement for her) 5. Option play - Taryn will need to keep improving this as they move up in opposition. Kelly is already one of the best. Only April and Summer have done it better in recent US history - although she does it too much. This is all in the transition game, and it really exposed Kloth the longer points when on. A lot of it I'm sure has to be Kloth being relatively new to the sand. Some of these comparable girls have been playing in the sand since they were like 10. She'll get better the more she plays, but it wouldn't surprise me right now if they did not have the same kind of success right away Internationally than the AVP. One of the biggest differences is the transition game especially on the womens side where blocks for kills is more neutralized then the mens side. Transition definitely a huge weakness, but I'd say its more lack of speed than newness, although certainly both contribute. For example she struggles to option because she isn't fast enough getting in position and she seems to stay at the net to avoid getting exposed moving backwards etc. Either way exciting how much room for growth exists there |
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Post by beavis on Sept 21, 2021 23:33:01 GMT -5
I agree. Kloth is not close to equal in talent and experience to Claes at the current time, but who knows how high her upside might be. I'm a bit confused regarding why Sponcil would play with Kloth in Itapema. Is there some indication that Sarah and Kelly will not be playing in that tournament?
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Post by larabeach on Sept 22, 2021 3:08:39 GMT -5
I agree. Kloth is not close to equal in talent and experience to Claes at the current time, but who knows how high her upside might be. I'm a bit confused regarding why Sponcil would play with Kloth in Itapema. Is there some indication that Sarah and Kelly will not be playing in that tournament? My understanig was that some people mentioned the pairing as their dream pair, something they would like to see, not something they thought that would happen. Then the sepeculation was if they could enter the tournament in Itapema with Sponcil's points only and I did some guesstimation about that.
It was all a 'what if' scenario, at least by me.
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Post by beavis on Sept 23, 2021 2:19:30 GMT -5
Gotcha larabeach - thanks!
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 24, 2021 20:25:15 GMT -5
Guest2 -
As others have noted, Kloth>Claes in serve and block. However you didn't mention the mental aspects. When Claes is confident and aggressive, she is better than Kloth. The 80% of the time she is not, Kloth is currently, now, better than Claes.
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Post by elgmyrat on Sept 24, 2021 20:51:09 GMT -5
65% of the time
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Post by ajm on Oct 4, 2021 21:32:20 GMT -5
I agree. Kloth is not close to equal in talent and experience to Claes at the current time, but who knows how high her upside might be. I'm a bit confused regarding why Sponcil would play with Kloth in Itapema. Is there some indication that Sarah and Kelly will not be playing in that tournament? Kloth and Nuss are signed up for Itapema. Claes and Sponcil are not (yet). I’m sure TKN are hoping for a wild card with 0 points. There are eight other US teams signed up ahead of them. There are also ten Brazilian teams. Hard to imagine Brazil choosing TKN for a WC over one of their own teams. |
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Post by pelican on Oct 4, 2021 23:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by ajm on Oct 4, 2021 23:50:45 GMT -5
It’s actually kind of unbelievable that they found out about Itapema two weeks after it was announced and only then because Taryn happened to see it on the USAV web site. Really? Is no one with a clue about the FIVB game coaching/advising this team? |
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Post by guest2 on Oct 5, 2021 0:53:02 GMT -5
It’s actually kind of unbelievable that they found out about Itapema two weeks after it was announced and only then because Taryn happened to see it on the USAV web site. Really? Is no one with a clue about the FIVB game coaching/advising this team? For those who previously wanted to debate whether TKN were following the best possible path to their volleyball goals in terms of who was coaching, how they were preparing etc. this statement from Kloth should be conclusive: "There were too many very important tournaments to reach our goals that we missed out on because we did not know they were available." Also for those that made nasty remarks about people who said that TKN should be playing in these small FIVB events, Taryn herself acknowledged that would have been the correct path for her. No doubt apologies and retractions will be forthcoming. Not sure what their strategy going forward is, but when Taryn writes that now she is checking USAVolleyball every other day, it still seems like they good use some better support staff. This is also a failure by USAV. Was it some mystery that these two, Taryn at least, were top future prospects? Yes their coaches, advisors, whatever should have made them aware of these past events, but how did no one at USAV pick up a phone, offer advice. |
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Post by tamz on Oct 5, 2021 6:24:51 GMT -5
She should’ve checked the FIVB website…
I can’t imagine that had they not seen it on the USAV website, they’ll find out on Instagram when people start posting that they’re flying to Brazil/playing in Brazil.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Oct 5, 2021 8:39:40 GMT -5
It’s actually kind of unbelievable that they found out about Itapema two weeks after it was announced and only then because Taryn happened to see it on the USAV web site. Really? Is no one with a clue about the FIVB game coaching/advising this team? For those who previously wanted to debate whether TKN were following the best possible path to their volleyball goals in terms of who was coaching, how they were preparing etc. this statement from Kloth should be conclusive: "There were too many very important tournaments to reach our goals that we missed out on because we did not know they were available." Also for those that made nasty remarks about people who said that TKN should be playing in these small FIVB events, Taryn herself acknowledged that would have been the correct path for her. No doubt apologies and retractions will be forthcoming. Not sure what their strategy going forward is, but when Taryn writes that now she is checking USAVolleyball every other day, it still seems like they good use some better support staff. This is also a failure by USAV. Was it some mystery that these two, Taryn at least, were top future prospects? Yes their coaches, advisors, whatever should have made them aware of these past events, but how did no one at USAV pick up a phone, offer advice. I 80% put this on USAV Beach. You would think at the collegiate thing they did after the NCAA season, USAV would discuss things like this. USAV needs to have something similar to the Rookie meetings all major sports have. 10% on coach 10% on players. |
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Post by guest2 on Oct 5, 2021 10:56:07 GMT -5
For those who previously wanted to debate whether TKN were following the best possible path to their volleyball goals in terms of who was coaching, how they were preparing etc. this statement from Kloth should be conclusive: "There were too many very important tournaments to reach our goals that we missed out on because we did not know they were available." Also for those that made nasty remarks about people who said that TKN should be playing in these small FIVB events, Taryn herself acknowledged that would have been the correct path for her. No doubt apologies and retractions will be forthcoming. Not sure what their strategy going forward is, but when Taryn writes that now she is checking USAVolleyball every other day, it still seems like they good use some better support staff. This is also a failure by USAV. Was it some mystery that these two, Taryn at least, were top future prospects? Yes their coaches, advisors, whatever should have made them aware of these past events, but how did no one at USAV pick up a phone, offer advice. I 80% put this on USAV Beach. You would think at the collegiate thing they did after the NCAA season, USAV would discuss things like this. USAV needs to have something similar to the Rookie meetings all major sports have. 10% on coach 10% on players. Sad part is the points from a one star or two would probably have gotten them into the CQ for this one. Hopefully they will still be able to get in |
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Post by ajm on Oct 5, 2021 11:31:16 GMT -5
I 80% put this on USAV Beach. You would think at the collegiate thing they did after the NCAA season, USAV would discuss things like this. USAV needs to have something similar to the Rookie meetings all major sports have. 10% on coach 10% on players. Sad part is the points from a one star or two would probably have gotten them into the CQ for this one. Hopefully they will still be able to get in “We will find out if we can compete in the country quota on October 19th, exactly one week later we will have to be in Manhattan Beach, CA to compete in the country quota.” I’m not sure what there is left to “find out” because there are eight US teams signed up with more points than TKN. Even if the Brazil field doesn’t fill, is USAV allowed to create a six team CQ for one qualifier spot when they’ve previously had to limit it to three teams? I can see a lot of other teams complaining if USAV bends the rules for TKN here. Really it seems like a wild card is their only hope. |
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Post by larabeach on Oct 5, 2021 13:36:25 GMT -5
Sad part is the points from a one star or two would probably have gotten them into the CQ for this one. Hopefully they will still be able to get in “We will find out if we can compete in the country quota on October 19th, exactly one week later we will have to be in Manhattan Beach, CA to compete in the country quota.” I’m not sure what there is left to “find out” because there are eight US teams signed up with more points than TKN. Even if the Brazil field doesn’t fill, is USAV allowed to create a six team CQ for one qualifier spot when they’ve previously had to limit it to three teams? I can see a lot of other teams complaining if USAV bends the rules for TKN here. Really it seems like a wild card is their only hope. The rules for CQ are REALLY hard to understand, but it seems that USAV can orgaize 6 teams CQ if it is at home. The limitation of three teams is for CQ held at the venue (Itapema i this case), I suppose due to de potential difficulty of organizing multiple CQs for multiple countries. But there is also the limitation of 6 teams in the entry list, so I'm not sure what rule takes precedence here.
There rules for Wildcards are a joke, basically they are always open for exceptions if the FIVB feels like it. Quoting the sports regulations:
The promoter probably feels that they have to award their wildcard to a home team (If they are not forced to do so by the federation). But I think it would be in their best interest to award one to TKN, specially considering how weak the field seems to be. The same goes to the FIVB, but they have awarderd all their WCs to home teams this season. Itapema 2019, awarded one to the Mcnamaras if it is any indication.
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