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Post by dl3ww on Sept 24, 2021 20:59:53 GMT -5
Lost sets to teams “they shouldn’t have” not passing the “eye test”.. LOL! What's the eye test? Never hear that before... Basically how the teams look by just watching them.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Sept 24, 2021 21:02:21 GMT -5
LOL! What's the eye test? Never hear that before... Basically how the teams look by just watching them. Not a good tool to base off of but hey, what ever float's "these voters" boats
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Post by dl3ww on Sept 24, 2021 21:04:58 GMT -5
Basically how the teams look by just watching them. Not a good tool to base off of but hey, what ever float's "these voters" boats It’s kinda helpful early in the season, and deciding closer rankings I guess? Idk
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2021 21:29:40 GMT -5
And Texas takes back the coveted volleytalk #1 spot. Why weren't they number one to begin with? lol Well, they did get the most #1 votes. It's not like there's some kind of universal dissing of Texas (maybe a strong VOCAL minority of dissing, but hey, that's okay). This is just my opinion, but the way I see it, volleytalk voters pride themselves are carefully analyzing the data, and basing their votes around that. If the recent data and the season long data starts supporting a different conclusion, then that's the change that should be made. The AVCA poll tends towards to a more static list. Sometimes some of the votes appear to be from voters who aren't paying much attention to the actual results during the week. There's still beauty contest aspects to both. That's okay. There's a tournament at the end so it actually matter. For me the purpose of these polls is to drive discussion. It also helps to prevent power creep, where every team allegedly looks like a top 5, or top 10, or top 20 type team. If you put them in a list, then you have to actually pick, rather than having 10 top 5 type teams, 20 top 10 type teams, and 50 teams that are playing like they're top 25. To volleytalk posters' credit, they're not so misguided as to value lost sets over lost matches. But when records are close to equal, data starts getting parsed in ways that lead to judgement calls. The differentiation that volleytalk posters seem to make is they're going to do a LOT of parsing of data to support their conclusions.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Sept 24, 2021 21:35:15 GMT -5
Why weren't they number one to begin with? lol Well, they did get the most #1 votes. It's not like there's some kind of universal dissing of Texas (maybe a strong VOCAL minority of dissing, but hey, that's okay). This is just my opinion, but the way I see it, volleytalk voters pride themselves are carefully analyzing the data, and basing their votes around that. If the recent data and the season long data starts supporting a different conclusion, then that's the change that should be made. The AVCA poll tends towards to a more static list. Sometimes some of the votes appear to be from voters who aren't paying much attention to the actual results during the week. There's still beauty contest aspects to both. That's okay. There's a tournament at the end so it actually matter. For me the purpose of these polls is to drive discussion. It also helps to prevent power creep, where every team allegedly looks like a top 5, or top 10, or top 20 type team. If you put them in a list, then you have to actually pick, rather than having 10 top 5 type teams, 20 top 10 type teams, and 50 teams that are playing like they're top 25. To volleytalk posters' credit, they're not so misguided as to value lost sets over lost matches. But when records are close to equal, data starts getting parsed in ways that lead to judgement calls. The differentiation that volleytalk posters seem to make is they're going to do a LOT of parsing of data to support their conclusions. I get that, makes sense. Just IMO, I don't see how you don't start Texas at number one when all of their offensive weapons returned, and then they pushed Iosia to Lib (which she's close to O'brien in play, and her instincts for the game are spot on). No other team in the country did the same, except Wisconsin, but Texas took care of them in the final four.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 24, 2021 21:47:39 GMT -5
I get that, make sense. Just IMO, I don't see how you don't start Texas at number one when all of their offensive weapons returned, and then they pushed Iosia to Lib (which she's close to O'brien in play, and her instincts for the game are spot on). No other team in the country did the same, except Wisconsin, but Texas took care of them in the final four. Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Someone might even say Louisville has an argument!
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2021 21:47:57 GMT -5
Well, they did get the most #1 votes. It's not like there's some kind of universal dissing of Texas (maybe a strong VOCAL minority of dissing, but hey, that's okay). This is just my opinion, but the way I see it, volleytalk voters pride themselves are carefully analyzing the data, and basing their votes around that. If the recent data and the season long data starts supporting a different conclusion, then that's the change that should be made. The AVCA poll tends towards to a more static list. Sometimes some of the votes appear to be from voters who aren't paying much attention to the actual results during the week. There's still beauty contest aspects to both. That's okay. There's a tournament at the end so it actually matter. For me the purpose of these polls is to drive discussion. It also helps to prevent power creep, where every team allegedly looks like a top 5, or top 10, or top 20 type team. If you put them in a list, then you have to actually pick, rather than having 10 top 5 type teams, 20 top 10 type teams, and 50 teams that are playing like they're top 25. To volleytalk posters' credit, they're not so misguided as to value lost sets over lost matches. But when records are close to equal, data starts getting parsed in ways that lead to judgement calls. The differentiation that volleytalk posters seem to make is they're going to do a LOT of parsing of data to support their conclusions. I get that, make sense. Just IMO, I don't see how you don't start Texas at number one when all of their offensive weapons returned, and then they pushed Iosia to Lib (which she's close to O'brien in play, and her instincts for the game are spot on). No other team in the country did the same, except Wisconsin, but Texas took care of them in the final four. All that makes sense, too. Like I said, they have the most #1 votes, so it's not like we're some kind of outliers here. As the season goes on, and there's more and more information available, we'll have movement up and down the list. To me that's fun.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Sept 24, 2021 21:50:06 GMT -5
I get that, make sense. Just IMO, I don't see how you don't start Texas at number one when all of their offensive weapons returned, and then they pushed Iosia to Lib (which she's close to O'brien in play, and her instincts for the game are spot on). No other team in the country did the same, except Wisconsin, but Texas took care of them in the final four. Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Pitt looking good early on, they added on pieces to their team that only enhanced the level of play. The ACC will give them the type of competition to push them through to the FF if they can get there.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 25, 2021 11:41:15 GMT -5
I get that, make sense. Just IMO, I don't see how you don't start Texas at number one when all of their offensive weapons returned, and then they pushed Iosia to Lib (which she's close to O'brien in play, and her instincts for the game are spot on). No other team in the country did the same, except Wisconsin, but Texas took care of them in the final four. Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Someone might even say Louisville has an argument! Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot.
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Post by basil on Sept 25, 2021 11:45:04 GMT -5
Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Someone might even say Louisville has an argument! Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. idk Baylor and Kentucky are both pretty good. but Louisville is definitely a legit number 1 contender.
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Post by JHAM on Sept 25, 2021 11:46:47 GMT -5
Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. idk Baylor and Kentucky are both pretty good. but Louisville is definitely a legit number 1 contender. I believe it was Texas and Kentucky in the title match, not Washington.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 25, 2021 11:49:11 GMT -5
Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Someone might even say Louisville has an argument! Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. Baylor and Kentucky are good. Marquette is a solid team. Louisville went with 5 with ASU and Wisconsin was better than Kentucky than Louisville, so, in those arguments, it could have been made that Wisconsin was better, however, I have no problem with Louisville being #1. I also consider Baylor (and Kentucky) better than Nebraska. I literally don't care what anybody did last year. But if you think Baylor, Kentucky, and Marquette are nobodies, I think you have the blind spot.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 25, 2021 12:18:48 GMT -5
Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. Baylor and Kentucky are good. Marquette is a solid team. Louisville went with 5 with ASU and Wisconsin was better than Kentucky than Louisville, so, in those arguments, it could have been made that Wisconsin was better, however, I have no problem with Louisville being #1. I also consider Baylor (and Kentucky) better than Nebraska. I literally don't care what anybody did last year. But if you think Baylor, Kentucky, and Marquette are nobodies, I think you have the blind spot. Oops. I somehow overlooked the Wisconsin match with Kentucky. How did I miss that? OTOH, Marquette is not a top 25 team and Baylor is 5-3 this year, with their big wins coming against a 3 loss Minny and 4 loss Florida team. So... color me unimpressed with them. Also oops, Washington did lose to Kentucky in the semi last year, not the final. I have to stop looking up data when I have a head cold.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Sept 25, 2021 14:48:52 GMT -5
Texas, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh all laid legitimate claims to #1 coming into this week, in my opinion of course. Someone might even say Louisville has an argument! Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. Wisconsin beat Baylor and Kentucky and their SOS is 4th. Louisville beat Purdue , Kentucky and Nebraska. Their SOS is 44th.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 25, 2021 18:27:07 GMT -5
Who has Wisconsin played this year that was any good? Nobody. Any claims about them being #1 is entirely based on making the FF last year. Louisville "only" made the final 8 last year, losing in 5 sets to a Washington team that lost in the title match. In contrast, they have a long slate of impressive wins this year. If you didn't think the Cards were a legit #1 call, then you have a blind spot. Wisconsin beat Baylor and Kentucky and their SOS is 4th. Louisville beat Purdue , Kentucky and Nebraska. Their SOS is 44th. Fascinating. SOS according to who? The names of Wisky's other victims don't impress me, and I can't help but notice that up to now they've played a lot of home matches, including the ones versus Baylor and Kentucky. Their only road warrior win was over Marquette. Louisville also played Kentucky at home. But the game against Purdue was at a neutral site and Nebraska was on the road. Hmmm..... would you rather face Nebraska or Marquette on the road? Tough choice, isn't it?
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