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Post by txvbcoach on Feb 27, 2022 11:36:10 GMT -5
"Hello everyone! This post is not meant to feel sorry for myself but I'm a bit sorry ... In between the news is I'm fine (for which thank you very much) there is a lot of criticism, how can I be still in Russia and play here ... Not a simple situation for me and for ALL of the volleyball players here! Not only foreign. We look with horror at what is happening with our neighbors at this moment. The girls I play with in the band are also scared and anxious about what will happen in the future. But I would like to ask you: what are they guilty of ?! Of course I could go home but will that solve anything? Does playing a league match put me on someone else's side? I just want to believe that all those people who challenge me in private messages at the moment and who are so outraged by my attitude have done something to help our neighbors ..." http://instagr.am/p/Cac6rfxL2d5 whenever events like this happen I think of this quote by Elie Wiesel "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere." The smallest action by anyone can make a big difference. Doing nothing and just living your life as normal sends a message. continuing to play vball and ignoring the human rights violations that are happening sends a message. I hope to never be in her position and have to figure out what to do. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 27, 2022 12:07:28 GMT -5
keep playing Volleyball AND speak out against that POS........that would be the best thing one could do, all the outrage outside of Russia might be correct, but until there is outrage coming from within Russia, well, ...good luck. So if someone can confront Putin publicly in Russia, all the better, that would be extremely courageous.
ultimately, the Russian people are going to be the only thing standing between Putin and this getting worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Russia has been slowly creeping over 20 years to become a NOrth Korea on steroids, and here we are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 12:13:57 GMT -5
keep playing Volleyball AND speak out against that POS........that would be the best thing one could do, all the outrage outside of Russia might be correct, but until there is outrage coming from within Russia, well, ...good luck. So if someone can confront Putin publicly in Russia, all the better, that would be extremely courageous. ultimately, the Russian people are going to be the only thing standing between Putin and this getting worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Russia has been slowly creeping over 20 years to become a NOrth Korea on steroids, and here we are. I don't think that's a realistic option. Speaking out against Putin while playing volleyball in Russia strikes me as a recipe for the Gulag. It's herioc, but ultimately you'll end up in a bad way (this is a country, after all, where Putin ordered the assassination of his political opponent, Alexei Novalny). Leaving Russia and speaking out, or stopping playing volleyball while staying in Russia are two options that don't result in the Gulag. |
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Post by basil on Feb 27, 2022 12:14:14 GMT -5
How many Americans are in this league KWT? And are they having discussions about leaving since the Ukraine invasion? There are no Americans in the women's league. In the men's league there's Micah Christenson (Zenit Kazan). I haven't heard any discussion about leaving so far. Also, there are Ukrainians playing in Russia, like Oleksandra Peretyatko (Enisey) and a bunch of guys in the men's league. Pertyatko played yesterday's game. So, I don't know. Maybe they're pro-Russia. I wouldn't say they are pro-Russia. Christenson said that Kazan is very good at "making him feel safe". Most of the cities these teams play in have a lot of anti-war protests going on right now. Just pure speculation but maybe these athletes don't feel pressured to leave because their teammates aren't pro-Putin so they feel welcome. It's a very weird and difficult situation. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 27, 2022 12:18:34 GMT -5
in a more realistic sense.... how many of them are willing to have their contract terminated?
Smarzek is at 800k a year for three years... Christenson is probably at a similar amount.
if they feel safe... money is going to play a part.
now how sanctions may affect that..... idk
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 12:22:03 GMT -5
"Hello everyone! This post is not meant to feel sorry for myself but I'm a bit sorry ... In between the news is I'm fine (for which thank you very much) there is a lot of criticism, how can I be still in Russia and play here ... Not a simple situation for me and for ALL of the volleyball players here! Not only foreign. We look with horror at what is happening with our neighbors at this moment. The girls I play with in the band are also scared and anxious about what will happen in the future. But I would like to ask you: what are they guilty of ?! Of course I could go home but will that solve anything? Does playing a league match put me on someone else's side? I just want to believe that all those people who challenge me in private messages at the moment and who are so outraged by my attitude have done something to help our neighbors ..." http://instagr.am/p/Cac6rfxL2d5 whenever events like this happen I think of this quote by Elie Wiesel "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere." The smallest action by anyone can make a big difference. Doing nothing and just living your life as normal sends a message. continuing to play vball and ignoring the human rights violations that are happening sends a message. I hope to never be in her position and have to figure out what to do. Great quote. Another is Martin Niemoller's: encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists#:~:text=The%20quotation%20and%20its%20variants,leaders%20of%20the%20Protestant%20churches. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 27, 2022 12:22:49 GMT -5
keep playing Volleyball AND speak out against that POS........that would be the best thing one could do, all the outrage outside of Russia might be correct, but until there is outrage coming from within Russia, well, ...good luck. So if someone can confront Putin publicly in Russia, all the better, that would be extremely courageous. ultimately, the Russian people are going to be the only thing standing between Putin and this getting worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Russia has been slowly creeping over 20 years to become a NOrth Korea on steroids, and here we are. I don't think that's a realistic option. Speaking out against Putin while playing volleyball in Russia strikes me as a recipe for the Gulag. It's herioc, but ultimately you'll end up in a bad way (this is a country, after all, where Putin ordered the assassination of his political opponent, Alexei Novalny). Leaving Russia and speaking out, or stopping playing volleyball while staying in Russia are two options that don't result in the Gulag. I didn't say it was an easy option, and without any risk. however, the only thing that will stop Putin are people inside Russia. to think otherwise is simply delusional. it's bad. I can't put my place in the shoes of those in Russia. but if they don't, this is likely to get worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Putin has lived in his own world and mind for a long time. being outside Russia and speaking up, not really gonna have an effect. I just say this, because she was the one that essentially said 'what can I do' ....so there you have it, and yeah, it might mean the Gulag let me put it this way, if you felt the risk of speaking up was worth the potential risk of preventing nuclear war, would you do it? what a horrific question to ask oneself. for those that think he won't, well keep telling yourself that. the guy has NEVER backed down, regardless of what it means to people in his country or sphere. yes, it may be coming to that, the guy is a megolmaaniac, it's a horrific situation, the guy is going to have to be taken out from the inside. think otherwise? your kidding yourself Hopefully China sees the folly of granting Xi a 3rd term as well, this is what happens |
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Post by kwt on Feb 27, 2022 15:08:43 GMT -5
There are no Americans in the women's league. In the men's league there's Micah Christenson (Zenit Kazan). I haven't heard any discussion about leaving so far. Also, there are Ukrainians playing in Russia, like Oleksandra Peretyatko (Enisey) and a bunch of guys in the men's league. Pertyatko played yesterday's game. So, I don't know. Maybe they're pro-Russia. I wouldn't say they are pro-Russia. Christenson said that Kazan is very good at "making him feel safe". Most of the cities these teams play in have a lot of anti-war protests going on right now. Just pure speculation but maybe these athletes don't feel pressured to leave because their teammates aren't pro-Putin so they feel welcome. It's a very weird and difficult situation. I was referring to the Ukrainian players, since not everybody in Ukraine is anti-Russia/Putin. In Crimea and Donbass, for instance, there’s a huge pro-Russian presence (if not majority). But mine was just a mere speculation. I’ve no idea about their opinions. And that said, I guess/hope that none of them likes war, expecially this one. |
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Post by kwt on Feb 27, 2022 15:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by txvbcoach on Feb 27, 2022 18:45:38 GMT -5
News: Sweden, Czechia and Poland renew refusal to play Russia's football team.
So there are some sports starting to refuse to play Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 12:44:46 GMT -5
From The New York Times this morning: "In a new sign of isolation for Russia, the International Olympic Committee said Monday that it would urge organizers of major sporting events to “not invite or allow the participation” of athletes from Russia or Belarus. But there are some exceptions, as usual with the I.O.C., Russia already faced limits on its Olympic participation because of past doping violations."
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Post by slxpress on Feb 28, 2022 15:15:57 GMT -5
I don't think that's a realistic option. Speaking out against Putin while playing volleyball in Russia strikes me as a recipe for the Gulag. It's herioc, but ultimately you'll end up in a bad way (this is a country, after all, where Putin ordered the assassination of his political opponent, Alexei Novalny). Leaving Russia and speaking out, or stopping playing volleyball while staying in Russia are two options that don't result in the Gulag. I didn't say it was an easy option, and without any risk. however, the only thing that will stop Putin are people inside Russia. to think otherwise is simply delusional. it's bad. I can't put my place in the shoes of those in Russia. but if they don't, this is likely to get worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Putin has lived in his own world and mind for a long time. being outside Russia and speaking up, not really gonna have an effect. I just say this, because she was the one that essentially said 'what can I do' ....so there you have it, and yeah, it might mean the Gulag let me put it this way, if you felt the risk of speaking up was worth the potential risk of preventing nuclear war, would you do it? what a horrific question to ask oneself. for those that think he won't, well keep telling yourself that. the guy has NEVER backed down, regardless of what it means to people in his country or sphere. yes, it may be coming to that, the guy is a megolmaaniac, it's a horrific situation, the guy is going to have to be taken out from the inside. think otherwise? your kidding yourself Hopefully China sees the folly of granting Xi a 3rd term as well, this is what happens This is going to come across as really crappy, and for that I apologize in advance. I don’t know you. I have literally nothing against you. But basically you’re saying you’re okay with calling for someone else to risk being sent off to the Gulag. Before you do that, you better have purchased one of the few remaining tickets to fly into Russia in whatever roundabout way you choose to go about it, to protest in the streets at what is going on in Ukraine. Because otherwise you’re being the worst kind of hypocrite. It’s not right to call for other people to make disproportionate sacrifices, including risking their life, if we’re not willing to do the same. If I was the friend of any western volleyball player playing in Russia I would tell them to get the hell out of there. Not as a protest, but as the decision that provides the likeliest best outcome. That country is under an authoritarian regime with practically total authority to do anything they want. They’re on a war footing, with things not going the way they expected. They’re getting desperate, including threatening the use of nukes regularly. It’s not safe. Beyond that, whether rightly or wrongly, public opinion throughout the world has turned sharply against Russia in unprecedented ways. Anyone who shows even tacit support for Russia right now is going to risk becoming a pariah. If you’re talented enough to play volleyball in Russia, there will be other opportunities open to you. No one in other countries are going to judge you for leaving your team under these circumstances. Depending on hypothetical regime change and future Russian public sentiment, someday you might even be able to play in Russia again, although don’t count on it. Other than the most extraordinary circumstances, it is folly for Westerners of any type to remain in Russia. Both for what might happen there, as well as how it will be perceived. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 28, 2022 15:48:44 GMT -5
I didn't say it was an easy option, and without any risk. however, the only thing that will stop Putin are people inside Russia. to think otherwise is simply delusional. it's bad. I can't put my place in the shoes of those in Russia. but if they don't, this is likely to get worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Putin has lived in his own world and mind for a long time. being outside Russia and speaking up, not really gonna have an effect. I just say this, because she was the one that essentially said 'what can I do' ....so there you have it, and yeah, it might mean the Gulag let me put it this way, if you felt the risk of speaking up was worth the potential risk of preventing nuclear war, would you do it? what a horrific question to ask oneself. for those that think he won't, well keep telling yourself that. the guy has NEVER backed down, regardless of what it means to people in his country or sphere. yes, it may be coming to that, the guy is a megolmaaniac, it's a horrific situation, the guy is going to have to be taken out from the inside. think otherwise? your kidding yourself Hopefully China sees the folly of granting Xi a 3rd term as well, this is what happens This is going to come across as really crappy, and for that I apologize in advance. I don’t know you. I have literally nothing against you. But basically you’re saying you’re okay with calling for someone else to risk being sent off to the Gulag. Before you do that, you better have purchased one of the few remaining tickets to fly into Russia in whatever roundabout way you choose to go about it, to protest in the streets at what is going on in Ukraine. Because otherwise you’re being the worst kind of hypocrite. It’s not right to call for other people to make disproportionate sacrifices, including risking their life, if we’re not willing to do the same. If I was the friend of any western volleyball player playing in Russia I would tell them to get the hell out of there. Not as a protest, but as the decision that provides the likeliest best outcome. That country is under an authoritarian regime with practically total authority to do anything they want. They’re on a war footing, with things not going the way they expected. They’re getting desperate, including threatening the use of nukes regularly. It’s not safe. Beyond that, whether rightly or wrongly, public opinion throughout the world has turned sharply against Russia in unprecedented ways. Anyone who shows even tacit support for Russia right now is going to risk becoming a pariah. If you’re talented enough to play volleyball in Russia, there will be other opportunities open to you. No one in other countries are going to judge you for leaving your team under these circumstances. Depending on hypothetical regime change and future Russian public sentiment, someday you might even be able to play in Russia again, although don’t count on it. Other than the most extraordinary circumstances, it is folly for Westerners of any type to remain in Russia. Both for what might happen there, as well as how it will be perceived. no, that's not what I'm saying. I made that clear. please read again. |
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Post by slxpress on Feb 28, 2022 16:02:41 GMT -5
This is going to come across as really crappy, and for that I apologize in advance. I don’t know you. I have literally nothing against you. But basically you’re saying you’re okay with calling for someone else to risk being sent off to the Gulag. Before you do that, you better have purchased one of the few remaining tickets to fly into Russia in whatever roundabout way you choose to go about it, to protest in the streets at what is going on in Ukraine. Because otherwise you’re being the worst kind of hypocrite. It’s not right to call for other people to make disproportionate sacrifices, including risking their life, if we’re not willing to do the same. If I was the friend of any western volleyball player playing in Russia I would tell them to get the hell out of there. Not as a protest, but as the decision that provides the likeliest best outcome. That country is under an authoritarian regime with practically total authority to do anything they want. They’re on a war footing, with things not going the way they expected. They’re getting desperate, including threatening the use of nukes regularly. It’s not safe. Beyond that, whether rightly or wrongly, public opinion throughout the world has turned sharply against Russia in unprecedented ways. Anyone who shows even tacit support for Russia right now is going to risk becoming a pariah. If you’re talented enough to play volleyball in Russia, there will be other opportunities open to you. No one in other countries are going to judge you for leaving your team under these circumstances. Depending on hypothetical regime change and future Russian public sentiment, someday you might even be able to play in Russia again, although don’t count on it. Other than the most extraordinary circumstances, it is folly for Westerners of any type to remain in Russia. Both for what might happen there, as well as how it will be perceived. no, that's not what I'm saying. I made that clear. please read again. I read it several times. If you’d like to clarify, be my guest. If you’d like to end the conversation, I’m okay with that, too. My post was not meant as an attack. I’m perfectly willing to have a dialogue. |
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Feb 28, 2022 16:18:32 GMT -5
I didn't say it was an easy option, and without any risk. however, the only thing that will stop Putin are people inside Russia. to think otherwise is simply delusional. it's bad. I can't put my place in the shoes of those in Russia. but if they don't, this is likely to get worse, and potentially nightmarish worse. Putin has lived in his own world and mind for a long time. being outside Russia and speaking up, not really gonna have an effect. I just say this, because she was the one that essentially said 'what can I do' ....so there you have it, and yeah, it might mean the Gulag let me put it this way, if you felt the risk of speaking up was worth the potential risk of preventing nuclear war, would you do it? what a horrific question to ask oneself. for those that think he won't, well keep telling yourself that. the guy has NEVER backed down, regardless of what it means to people in his country or sphere. yes, it may be coming to that, the guy is a megolmaaniac, it's a horrific situation, the guy is going to have to be taken out from the inside. think otherwise? your kidding yourself Hopefully China sees the folly of granting Xi a 3rd term as well, this is what happens This is going to come across as really crappy, and for that I apologize in advance. I don’t know you. I have literally nothing against you. But basically you’re saying you’re okay with calling for someone else to risk being sent off to the Gulag. Before you do that, you better have purchased one of the few remaining tickets to fly into Russia in whatever roundabout way you choose to go about it, to protest in the streets at what is going on in Ukraine. Because otherwise you’re being the worst kind of hypocrite. It’s not right to call for other people to make disproportionate sacrifices, including risking their life, if we’re not willing to do the same. If I was the friend of any western volleyball player playing in Russia I would tell them to get the hell out of there. Not as a protest, but as the decision that provides the likeliest best outcome. That country is under an authoritarian regime with practically total authority to do anything they want. They’re on a war footing, with things not going the way they expected. They’re getting desperate, including threatening the use of nukes regularly. It’s not safe. Beyond that, whether rightly or wrongly, public opinion throughout the world has turned sharply against Russia in unprecedented ways. Anyone who shows even tacit support for Russia right now is going to risk becoming a pariah. If you’re talented enough to play volleyball in Russia, there will be other opportunities open to you. No one in other countries are going to judge you for leaving your team under these circumstances. Depending on hypothetical regime change and future Russian public sentiment, someday you might even be able to play in Russia again, although don’t count on it. Other than the most extraordinary circumstances, it is folly for Westerners of any type to remain in Russia. Both for what might happen there, as well as how it will be perceived. agreed and thank you. Ive seen a lot of armchair quarterbacking when we have no relation to the consequences. We cannot be expecting someone else who we have no real ties to, to “get involved” when the most effort any of us is putting into it is tweeting or dumping out vodka. They should get out if possible. |
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