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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 17:08:22 GMT -5
Republicans have to realize that they can't put any BIPOC person out there and expect a win. It was clear Elder did not resonate with the people and it's a mistake I think they will repeat in Georgia with Herschel Walker. How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there? Was he not GOP endorsed? I assumed he was.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 17:09:35 GMT -5
How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there? Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either. My bad, I didn't know he was freelancing.
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Post by akbar on Sept 15, 2021 17:29:14 GMT -5
How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there? Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either. They got what they deserved and every GOP candidate will be judged for the next 10 years or more where they were on Trump, on the fake "rigged" election b.s. , the fake outrage over vaccinations and the Jan .6th insurrection. Good luck ....cuz those stains are more and more toxic and the majority of Americans have lost patience with these fools who quite clearly only want to hear down instead of build up.
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Post by dc on Sept 15, 2021 17:41:13 GMT -5
Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either. They got what they deserved and every GOP candidate will be judged for the next 10 years or more where they were on Trump, on the fake "rigged" election b.s. , the fake outrage over vaccinations and the Jan .6th insurrection. Good luck ....cuz those stains are more and more toxic and the majority of Americans have lost patience with these fools who quite clearly only want to hear down instead of build up. I hope so. And I hope we can overcome the republicans minority rule.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 17:43:05 GMT -5
Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either. They got what they deserved and every GOP candidate will be judged for the next 10 years or more You may have overestimated the long term memory of the American people. Time will tell.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2021 17:50:38 GMT -5
One problem is when people who are in the minority are fully convinced that they are the majority, because everybody they know agrees with them. This is why they completely believe that Trump really won the 2020 election, for instance, because everybody they know voted for Trump.
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Post by BearClause on Sept 15, 2021 19:31:46 GMT -5
One problem is when people who are in the minority are fully convinced that they are the majority, because everybody they know agrees with them. This is why they completely believe that Trump really won the 2020 election, for instance, because everybody they know voted for Trump. Well - wasn't the testimony of one of the Capitol Police officers that he was being accosted with claims that "nobody voted for Biden". Then when he tried to reason with them that he voted for Biden, then he got called the N word. That was extreme because I totally get that not everyone votes the same way I do. That's why we have elections. But somehow they're in this weird bubble where only their guy is capable of getting even a single vote?
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Post by gobruins on Sept 16, 2021 7:16:13 GMT -5
The things to take away from the California recall are: 1. a relatively small number of wealthy GOP donors spent millions of dollars to force a recall and 2. the only reason it even happened is because a judge (who Trump had tried to appoint to the federal bench) extended the petition signature deadline by four months On point #2, Newsom and the Democrats thought so little of the recall's chances to even qualify for the ballot, that they didn't even bother to appeal the judge's ruling.
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Post by gobruins on Sept 16, 2021 7:17:56 GMT -5
How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there? Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either. The Republican "establishment" in California (if one even still exists) were fully behind Kevin Faulconer (the former San Diego Mayor).
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Post by BearClause on Oct 20, 2021 14:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 20, 2021 23:41:45 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, 61.9% to 38.1% is exactly the same margin he had when first elected in 2019.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 20, 2021 23:53:16 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, 61.9% to 38.1% is exactly the same margin he had when first elected in 2019. I see that in the official result. Since California has a top 2 primary, there's no independents or minor party candidates to muck up the results. There's even a chance of two Democrats facing each other, which has happened statewide, although not for Governor yet. And more voted yes/no in the recall than for Governor in the 2018 general election. I suppose it's possible for someone to opt not to vote in the recall, but still choose a replacement candidate. elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2018-general/sov/2018-complete-sov.pdf
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 20, 2021 23:55:35 GMT -5
I'm just saying that it's pretty remarkable that his support didn't shift at all in two years.
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Post by gobruins on Oct 21, 2021 5:52:07 GMT -5
I'm just saying that it's pretty remarkable that his support didn't shift at all in two years. Newsom was first elected in 2018. So, it was almost three years ago. You may have been confused because he didn't actually take office until January, 2019. He will stand for re-election next year. Also, the percentages for the replacement candidates are really skewed because about 43% of the people who voted in the recall, did not cast a vote for a replacement.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 21, 2021 9:48:53 GMT -5
I'm just saying that it's pretty remarkable that his support didn't shift at all in two years. I don't find it that unusual. Newsom has a lot of goodwill, and his visit to the French Laundry was one small mistake. And obviously there were people who voted in the recall election who didn't vote in the last Governor's election. But that's one heck of a coincidence that the percentages line up. As much as many want to paint him as some sort of slicked back guy who wants to appear on the cameras, Newsom has always been known as a hard worker and as a policy wonk. He was also diagnosed as dyslexic, so he had to work extremely hard at overcoming that. He may not be an expert on everything, but he's always well prepped by his staff and has a pretty good layman's grasp of COVID-19 issues. A lot of people have ridiculed him over the years, including the time when he was Mayor of San Francisco and declared that the law wouldn't allow discrimination against same-sex couples when it came to marriage. However, that might have also hurt the Democratic Party nationally as there was this soundbite that was used repeatedly.
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