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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 13:13:10 GMT -5
I'll admit it's partially my fault but it was in response to blaming "Trumpsters" for this colossal waste of time and money while not acknowledging that it's been perpetrated by "the other side" as well. You guys are really good with this 'both sides' stuff! I'll give you this one is much closer to 'equivalent' than some of the other extreme reaches. This is a better, but still real reach. Not sure who you're equating me with when you say "you guys" but I find it interesting that either side can only see the faults of their rivals and not their own.
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Post by donut on Sept 15, 2021 13:14:17 GMT -5
Yes, it was the critics of Trump who were deranged, not Trump himself. Do you think he was a madman? There's a difference between being a rightful critic of his actions and having TDS. lol Ironically, it’s conservatives who don’t know the difference between the two.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 13:18:28 GMT -5
Again big difference between being an A$$hole and a madman! Trump is whacked. blaming "Trumpsters" for this colossal waste of time and money while not acknowledging that it's been perpetrated by "the other side" as well. Yawn. Climb back under your rock. The country is moving toward and "T"dumpsters are and anchor that is being dropped. Good riddance Are you trying to say that the two impeachments were not a waste of time or money?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2021 13:22:56 GMT -5
Yawn. Climb back under your rock. The country is moving toward and "T"dumpsters are and anchor that is being dropped. Good riddance Are you trying to say that the two impeachments were not a waste of time or money? If the goal was actually to remove Trump, then they were a waste of time and money, because the Senate was never going to vote to remove him. However, if the goal was to establish that the President can not simply ignore either the law or the Constitution with total impunity, then the impeachments at least partially sent that message. ("Partially" because they also sent the message that *enough* of Congress DOES think the President can simply ignore the law or the Constitution with total impunity.) If the goal was to simply put GOP Senators on the record as supporting illegal actions by Trump, it was successful.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 13:25:56 GMT -5
Are you trying to say that the two impeachments were not a waste of time or money? If the goal was actually to remove Trump, then they were a waste of time and money, because the Senate was never going to vote to remove him. However, if the goal was to establish that the President can not simply ignore either the law or the Constitution with total impunity, then the impeachments partially sent that message. If the goal was to simply put GOP Senators on the record as supporting illegal actions by Trump, it was successful. Glad you could find a silver lining. Has there been much in the way of consequences for those GOP Senators or will that happen in the midterms?
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 15, 2021 13:26:01 GMT -5
Yawn. Climb back under your rock. The country is moving toward and "T"dumpsters are and anchor that is being dropped. Good riddance Are you trying to say that the two impeachments were not a waste of time or money? DId you ask the same question regarding the 10 or so investigations into Hillary and Benghazi?
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 13:30:09 GMT -5
Are you trying to say that the two impeachments were not a waste of time or money? DId you ask the same question regarding the 13 or so investigations into Hillary and Benghazi? Here's where I see the biggest imbalance. I can readily say that those (were there really 13?) investigations weren't going to amount to anything and yes were a waste of time and money. I rarely if ever see anyone from the supposed "other side" who do the same. THAT's why things are so polarized. Neither side is much willing to criticize when it's due.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 15, 2021 14:01:41 GMT -5
DId you ask the same question regarding the 13 or so investigations into Hillary and Benghazi? Here's where I see the biggest imbalance. I can readily say that those (were there really 13?) investigations weren't going to amount to anything and yes were a waste of time and money. I rarely if ever see anyone from the supposed "other side" who do the same. THAT's why things are so polarized. Neither side is much willing to criticize when it's due. I frequently point out flaws of people I vote with but typically it is only used as fodder by the right. I have actually been called a trumper which is hilarious in its ignorance. I did not criticize the Trump impeachments because I felt they were necessary to maintain the republic due to his actions and overstepping of legal boundaries. I however, do not listen to anybody who runs around yelling MAGA or that they don't trust doctors or the government but will trust what they see on facebook or youtube. And further, I see no reason to even try and communicate with those people because they are so far beyond reality that there is no reason to. Regarding waste and fraud, I have been insulted and criticized frequently by the left for pointing out deficit spending (i.e. covid payments) and have had the same from the right for pointing out how much is wasted every year on the military. In general though, the divide comes in as the people who do try and see it from both sides get drowned out from all sides by morons. Basically I feel that if you are so ignorant that you cannot realize there are two sides and can only see yours, you are the problem.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 15, 2021 14:03:13 GMT -5
Which is exactly why there was a recall attempt in California, morons only saw the D in front of the governor and crapped their pants. No actual justifiable reason, just myopia couple with ignorance and stupidity and screaming MY SIDE IS RIGHT
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2021 14:09:10 GMT -5
Which is exactly why there was a recall attempt in California, morons only saw the D in front of the governor and crapped their pants. No actual justifiable reason, just myopia couple with ignorance and stupidity and screaming MY SIDE IS RIGHT It's pretty clear that Newsome was his own worst enemy when he mandated COVID closures and then was caught going to a large private party at a very expensive restaurant. That's probably the single event that really motivated enough people to sign the recall petitions. On the other hand, what motivated people to not recall him was mostly that the Republican support centered around Larry Elder, who was clearly a worse choice.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 14:16:58 GMT -5
Which is exactly why there was a recall attempt in California, morons only saw the D in front of the governor and crapped their pants. No actual justifiable reason, just myopia couple with ignorance and stupidity and screaming MY SIDE IS RIGHT It's pretty clear that Newsome was his own worst enemy when he mandated COVID closures and then was caught going to a large private party at a very expensive restaurant. That's probably the single event that really motivated enough people to sign the recall petitions. On the other hand, what motivated people to not recall him was mostly that the Republican support centered around Larry Elder, who was clearly a worse choice. Republicans have to realize that they can't put any BIPOC person out there and expect a win. It was clear Elder did not resonate with the people and it's a mistake I think they will repeat in Georgia with Herschel Walker.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 15, 2021 14:52:41 GMT -5
The things to take away from the California recall are:
1. a relatively small number of wealthy GOP donors spent millions of dollars to force a recall
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2. the only reason it even happened is because a judge (who Trump had tried to appoint to the federal bench) extended the petition signature deadline by four months
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 15, 2021 14:53:56 GMT -5
It's pretty clear that Newsome was his own worst enemy when he mandated COVID closures and then was caught going to a large private party at a very expensive restaurant. That's probably the single event that really motivated enough people to sign the recall petitions. On the other hand, what motivated people to not recall him was mostly that the Republican support centered around Larry Elder, who was clearly a worse choice. Republicans have to realize that they can't put any BIPOC person out there and expect a win. It was clear Elder did not resonate with the people and it's a mistake I think they will repeat in Georgia with Herschel Walker. How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there?
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Post by BearClause on Sept 15, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -5
Republicans have to realize that they can't put any BIPOC person out there and expect a win. It was clear Elder did not resonate with the people and it's a mistake I think they will repeat in Georgia with Herschel Walker. How, exactly, did the GOP put Elder out there? Yep. He was freelancing. The Republican establishment clearly didn't want to play favorites, and to some degree didn't really want Elder either.
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Post by gtrich on Sept 15, 2021 17:08:15 GMT -5
You have to give props to the Newsom team for the victory. They were able to keep any high-level D's that might be seen as a Newsome alternative out of the recall race, and they were able to make an anti-vaxxer/anti-masker the face of the recall effort. That turned this into a one on one race between Newsom/Elder and not a Newsom sucks, lets recall him and replace him with this other person we like. Elder never stood a chance of winning a one-on-one race against any D in California and as soon as the recall got framed that way, it was all over. The media just kept it alive for advertising and eyeballs/clicks.
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