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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 16, 2021 7:19:16 GMT -5
But as you just said, at this point it's only a guess. And IF by any chance information is found out that Trump was planning a nuclear war with China, it needs to come to light. If for no other reason than to derail his comeback attempt. That's why I recommend an independent investigation go where the evidence leads. That means Milly testifies. That means Trump testifies as well. Perfectly fine.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 7:28:54 GMT -5
"willing to do anything to stay in office" is belied by the fact he didn't actually stay in office and the things he did fall well short of "anything." Trump incited an insurrection. He pressured Pence, Barr, Rosen, Clark, election supervisors in all swing states etc etc etc. He took every opportunity to spread his beg lie about voting fraud and still is. Why in the world would you defend this behavior? I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 7:39:29 GMT -5
Trump incited an insurrection. He pressured Pence, Barr, Rosen, Clark, election supervisors in all swing states etc etc etc. He took every opportunity to spread his beg lie about voting fraud and still is. Why in the world would you defend this behavior? I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round. You distract from the real issue of just how deranged Trump is.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2021 7:58:33 GMT -5
That's because there were people like Milley not willing to let Trump destroy the country. Before we make Milley out to be the savior of the country; did he and Trump have a confrontation about using the nuclear codes? Did Trump ever say to his advisors I think we should start a war with China? You can't credit people with being there to stop something that was never going to happen in the first place. Based on Trump's erratic, corrupt and downright criminal conduct while in office, there was a distinct possibility that Trump can pull a mad move. Milley didn't get to become the chairman of the JSF by being an ignorant and naive fool. If someone as experienced and knowledgeable like Milley believes such a danger exist, then I believe him over any partisan GOer.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2021 8:00:10 GMT -5
Trump incited an insurrection. He pressured Pence, Barr, Rosen, Clark, election supervisors in all swing states etc etc etc. He took every opportunity to spread his beg lie about voting fraud and still is. Why in the world would you defend this behavior? I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round. Personally am in favor of "not ending all life on earth", even if it means "subverting" the chain of command...even if that actually isn't the case here.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 8:04:01 GMT -5
I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round. You distract from the real issue of just how deranged Trump is. Thankfully, we have you here to remind us. There is a legal and constitutional process for removing a president who is unfit to serve. If Milley thought Trump was that dangerous, he should have gone to Pence and the cabinet. If that didn't work, he could have gone public by going to Congress and the press. Instead, if the book is accurate, he illegally usurped Trump's authority and told nobody in civilian leadership (until going public to Bob Woodward months after the fact). If that can happen with no consequences or accountability, what's the stop Milley (or another general) from doing it to a president you like?
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:04:57 GMT -5
Trump incited an insurrection. He pressured Pence, Barr, Rosen, Clark, election supervisors in all swing states etc etc etc. He took every opportunity to spread his beg lie about voting fraud and still is. Why in the world would you defend this behavior? I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round. Why do you prefer that?
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:06:20 GMT -5
You distract from the real issue of just how deranged Trump is. Thankfully, we have you here to remind us. There is a legal and constitutional process for removing a president who is unfit to serve. If Milley thought Trump was that dangerous, he should have gone to Pence and the cabinet. If that didn't work, he could have gone public by going to Congress and the press. Instead, if the book is accurate, he illegally usurped Trump's authority and told nobody in civilian leadership (until going public to Bob Woodward months after the fact). If that can happen with no consequences or accountability, what's the stop Milley (or another general) from doing it to a president you like? You’re jumping to a lot of conclusions you just don’t know.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:07:18 GMT -5
You distract from the real issue of just how deranged Trump is. Thankfully, we have you here to remind us. There is a legal and constitutional process for removing a president who is unfit to serve. If Milley thought Trump was that dangerous, he should have gone to Pence and the cabinet. If that didn't work, he could have gone public by going to Congress and the press. Instead, if the book is accurate, he illegally usurped Trump's authority and told nobody in civilian leadership (until going public to Bob Woodward months after the fact). If that can happen with no consequences or accountability, what's the stop Milley (or another general) from doing it to a president you like? I would never like a president who incited an insurrection.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 8:16:57 GMT -5
Thankfully, we have you here to remind us. There is a legal and constitutional process for removing a president who is unfit to serve. If Milley thought Trump was that dangerous, he should have gone to Pence and the cabinet. If that didn't work, he could have gone public by going to Congress and the press. Instead, if the book is accurate, he illegally usurped Trump's authority and told nobody in civilian leadership (until going public to Bob Woodward months after the fact). If that can happen with no consequences or accountability, what's the stop Milley (or another general) from doing it to a president you like? I would never like a president who incited an insurrection. Let me try that again. What's to stop someone from doing this to Biden, for example?
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:31:36 GMT -5
I would never like a president who incited an insurrection. Let me try that again. What's to stop someone from doing this to Biden, for example? Biden hasn't incited an insurrection. See the difference? Biden never questioned, before or after the election, the legitimacy of the election process. See the difference?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 8:49:57 GMT -5
Let me try that again. What's to stop someone from doing this to Biden, for example? Biden hasn't incited an insurrection. See the difference? Biden never questioned, before or after the election, the legitimacy of the election process. See the difference? The reason someone would do it would be different, obviously.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:52:50 GMT -5
Just an FYI. More than 70% of Republicans believe Biden did not get enough votes to be elected. That's a sample of the damage that Trump has done to our country. Milley was not the only one in Trump's inner circle who had grave concerns regarding Trump's mental stability. With that said, I for one welcome an independent investigation allowed to go where the evidence takes them.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 8:53:20 GMT -5
Biden hasn't incited an insurrection. See the difference? Biden never questioned, before or after the election, the legitimacy of the election process. See the difference? The reason someone would do it would be different, obviously. But you get my point.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 16, 2021 9:18:41 GMT -5
Just an FYI. More than 70% of Republicans believe Biden did not get enough votes to be elected. That's a sample of the damage that Trump has done to our country. Milley was not the only one in Trump's inner circle who had grave concerns regarding Trump's mental stability. With that said, I for one welcome an independent investigation allowed to go where the evidence takes them. Was damage being done to the country when people were saying that Trump won the election with Russian interference and continued to say that even though no real evidence was found?
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