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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 17:38:37 GMT -5
Cheap shots against . . . the most powerful military in history? Like, are we supposed to take it easy on them when they murk half-a-dozen children and lie about it? they didn't lie about it. No one is going to comment until they do an investigation. They were certainly happy to comment on it when they did it. Your boy Mark Milley called it a "righteous strike." Yes, lots.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2021 17:40:26 GMT -5
Where it gets gray is if these people attack Americans then go hide in civilian areas. This guy was driving home from work. Where he worked for an American company. The missile hit when he had parked his car in his driveway, as he was surrounded by his kids and the kids of his brother. Where was the "attack Americans" part of all this?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2021 17:41:50 GMT -5
They were certainly happy to comment on it when they did it. Your boy Mark Milley called it a "righteous strike." Agree Do you really think there is anyone in the military that wants to kill an innocent family? Yes, lots. Disagree
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 17:52:35 GMT -5
When you search for "Afghan wedding airstrikes" you get more than one result.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 17:54:30 GMT -5
At the very least, there are lots who don't mind the occasional oopsie.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2021 18:40:40 GMT -5
At the very least, there are lots who don't mind the occasional oopsie. That's different. (Though, maybe not from the point of view of the people who get blown up.)
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2021 21:12:41 GMT -5
Where it gets gray is if these people attack Americans then go hide in civilian areas. This guy was driving home from work. Where he worked for an American company. The missile hit when he had parked his car in his driveway, as he was surrounded by his kids and the kids of his brother. Where was the "attack Americans" part of all this? I guess I’m just not clear on how all of this happened. You seem to be implying we just picked a random person and decided to blow him up for no reason. If that happened, I am 100% with you. I assume this was either terrible intel, we missed the target, or he and his family was collateral damage when we bombed the terrorists living next door. Do we know which of those it actually was?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 21:21:30 GMT -5
They blew up exactly the guy and vehicle they were trying to blow up, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by cindra on Sept 17, 2021 21:31:46 GMT -5
This guy was driving home from work. Where he worked for an American company. The missile hit when he had parked his car in his driveway, as he was surrounded by his kids and the kids of his brother. Where was the "attack Americans" part of all this? I guess I’m just not clear on how all of this happened. You seem to be implying we just picked a random person and decided to blow him up for no reason. If that happened, I am 100% with you. I assume this was either terrible intel, we missed the target, or he and his family was collateral damage when we bombed the terrorists living next door. Do we know which of those it actually was? Is either of those acceptable or good?
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2021 21:49:15 GMT -5
I guess I’m just not clear on how all of this happened. You seem to be implying we just picked a random person and decided to blow him up for no reason. If that happened, I am 100% with you. I assume this was either terrible intel, we missed the target, or he and his family was collateral damage when we bombed the terrorists living next door. Do we know which of those it actually was? Is either of those acceptable or good? Nothing about war is good. All of it is bad. You try to pick the least bad option. And no, bad intelligence that leads to killing innocent civilians isn't acceptable. But acting in good faith on bad intelligence is much less bad than fabricating intelligence in order to blow up a random family.
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Post by cindra on Sept 17, 2021 22:00:32 GMT -5
Is either of those acceptable or good? Nothing about war is good. All of it is bad. You try to pick the least bad option. And no, bad intelligence that leads to killing innocent civilians isn't acceptable. But acting in good faith on bad intelligence is much less bad than fabricating intelligence in order to blow up a random family. How many times does the US have to kill civilians on "bad Intel" before we start thinking they aren't acting in good faith?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 17, 2021 22:02:19 GMT -5
This guy was driving home from work. Where he worked for an American company. The missile hit when he had parked his car in his driveway, as he was surrounded by his kids and the kids of his brother. Where was the "attack Americans" part of all this? I guess I’m just not clear on how all of this happened. You seem to be implying we just picked a random person and decided to blow him up for no reason. If that happened, I am 100% with you. I assume this was either terrible intel, we missed the target, or he and his family was collateral damage when we bombed the terrorists living next door. Do we know which of those it actually was? We know it was not a "terrorists next door" situation. They were very proud of the missile hitting the car they aimed at. Whether that was the car they meant to aim at or not, I don't know. They claimed at the time that they struck a car "on the way to the airport", and yet the car they hit had just parked in a driveway. So unless you get to the airport by parking in your driveway, something was really off right from the start.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2021 22:17:53 GMT -5
Is either of those acceptable or good? Nothing about war is good. All of it is bad. You try to pick the least bad option. Not war seems like the least bad option, no? What a strange splitting of hairs.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2021 22:18:47 GMT -5
Hey, n00b, want to walk this one back? Yes and no. If somebody attacks Americans, I don't think it is in our long-term national interest to not respond. There need to be disincentives to do such things. Caveman logic.
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 22:39:42 GMT -5
they didn't lie about it. No one is going to comment until they do an investigation. They were certainly happy to comment on it when they did it. Your boy Mark Milley called it a "righteous strike." Yes, lots. What a sad and pathetic attitude.
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