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Post by france123 on Oct 5, 2021 12:23:51 GMT -5
some schools I'd love to see add men's volleyball PAC-12 Oregon Arizona State/Arizona B1G UMich and Michigan State Iowa Nebraska those are just some schools off the top of my head that would be so cool to have a men's volleyball program at those respective schools however the realistic possibility of that happening is slim to none. I do think that Nebraska would be amazing to have a Men's Program for. They already have a top notch women's program, and I think that, as rollosideout said, the fans will realize that they've been watching WNBA layups instead of NBA Dunks if they're able to watch a top men's game. Agreed, no disrespect to the women’s programs but seeing guys hit and play defense is different I agree but I would absolutely love to see Wisconsin do a program so it would allow guys from Wisconsin to stay in state because they got a lot of talent up there and imagine if they stayed local! |
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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on Oct 5, 2021 12:46:47 GMT -5
some schools I'd love to see add men's volleyball PAC-12 Oregon Arizona State/Arizona B1G UMich and Michigan State Iowa Nebraska those are just some schools off the top of my head that would be so cool to have a men's volleyball program at those respective schools however the realistic possibility of that happening is slim to none. I do think that Nebraska would be amazing to have a Men's Program for. They already have a top notch women's program, and I think that, as rollosideout said, the fans will realize that they've been watching WNBA layups instead of NBA Dunks if they're able to watch a top men's game. Agreed, no disrespect to the women’s programs but seeing guys hit and play defense is different it's just a whole different game from women's to men's. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 5, 2021 14:06:01 GMT -5
Agreed, no disrespect to the women’s programs but seeing guys hit and play defense is different I agree but I would absolutely love to see Wisconsin do a program so it would allow guys from Wisconsin to stay in state because they got a lot of talent up there and imagine if they stayed local! And that’s a pretty solid fanbase there for the women’s team as well! |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 5, 2021 14:13:26 GMT -5
Agreed, no disrespect to the women’s programs but seeing guys hit and play defense is different it's just a whole different game from women's to men's. Agreed, I see a lot on here about everyone’s issues with the path of where the future of our USA Pipeline is going. I think the ONLY way to grow stronger is to improve opportunities for HS athletes to represent their states in a substantial way. Sure the west coast has plenty of talent, I’ve seen it every tournament weekend, but at some point USA volleyball has to really invest in growing the sport in colleges that have a real draw. More B1G, Pac12, and other p5 schools starting programs is the way to do that. No offense to the NEC but it’s don’t have a ton of high hopes for it drawing in top tier talent from all over the country like a p5 can |
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Post by vbc1 on Oct 5, 2021 15:09:33 GMT -5
For everyone who thinks that Nebraska would be a good place to start men's volleyball, the immediate answer to that is yes. But if you think that John Cook is going to share that facility with a men's program, you got another thing coming.
This discussion has been had on here for decades. It never comes to anything other than hopeful wishing, and ultimately frustration that AD's don't seem to get it. The reality is the men's game is growing. Mostly at the wrong levels if we are trying to grow the game at the highest levels. AD's at some of these other big time schools are watching the newly formed programs to see if their impact is as real as everyone says it will be. When they see that it does produce a good product, they will think twice when it comes to adding another men's sport to their rosters.
Until then, adding this no-name school, and that no-name school are only adding opportunities for mid level guys to get in and play right away. Nothing wrong with that. And some of those kids can get pretty good with some good training and competition. But that requires a good second team, and that just isn't happening quite yet. Who knows in 10 years or so. There could be another Lewis, Loyola, or Cal Baptist waiting for the right coach and recruiting classes to come through to make them relevant. They were no-name programs that no one ever thought would be good and compete with the P5's.
Until they were, and they did. And they won.
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Post by coy on Oct 5, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -5
For everyone who thinks that Nebraska would be a good place to start men's volleyball, the immediate answer to that is yes. But if you think that John Cook is going to share that facility with a men's program, you got another thing coming. This discussion has been had on here for decades. It never comes to anything other than hopeful wishing, and ultimately frustration that AD's don't seem to get it. The reality is the men's game is growing. Mostly at the wrong levels if we are trying to grow the game at the highest levels. AD's at some of these other big time schools are watching the newly formed programs to see if their impact is as real as everyone says it will be. When they see that it does produce a good product, they will think twice when it comes to adding another men's sport to their rosters. Until then, adding this no-name school, and that no-name school are only adding opportunities for mid level guys to get in and play right away. Nothing wrong with that. And some of those kids can get pretty good with some good training and competition. But that requires a good second team, and that just isn't happening quite yet. Who knows in 10 years or so. There could be another Lewis, Loyola, or Cal Baptist waiting for the right coach and recruiting classes to come through to make them relevant. They were no-name programs that no one ever thought would be good and compete with the P5's. Until they were, and they did. And they won. The men's and women's seasons are entirely different seasons. There wouldn't be a single scheduling conflict between the men's and women's season. If anything, having the added attention of a men's program would only help the women's program recruit. But it is not going to happen. Just for reasons other than "the women's program doesn't want to share its facilities with a men's program." |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2021 16:32:04 GMT -5
I don't think men's volleyball is on the docket. After the lawsuit by the women's swim/dive team that got COVID-cut in 2020 (they've since been reinstated) there was something in there about how Iowa actually wasn't Title XI compliant, and needed to add another women's sport to truly be compliant. This puts a full kibosh on that, and potentially reinstates some of the men's sports that got cut which I think was gymnastics, swim/dive, and maybe tennis? It's great sensical publicity for the university, but really doesn't open the door for new opportunities. At least none that are being demanded for at this time (First Point where you at...) Its sad, people just don't know... These schools pack their huge arenas to see B1G women's games, which if the local community school fans were to experience the speed and excitement live of a top men's match, they would realize they've been watching WNBA layups compared to NBA dunks... Eh, I don't think that analogy really holds up. I mean, in terms of athleticism, sure. But while the difference in athleticism is kind of a deal breaker for basketball (someone would have to pay me to get me to watch the WNBA), women's volleyball in the US is actually much more popular than men's volleyball. I'm not exactly sure why, but I find the women's game much more interesting to watch than the men's game, even if the players aren't as athletic. It might have something to do with volleyball being the top women's team sport that isn't completely overshadowed by its men's counterpart. At any rate, I think women's wrestling has a lot of potential in this country. At the Olympic level, I think the US is already probably the second-best country in the world behind Japan, which has been incredibly dominant. And that's with almost no support at the NCAA level. |
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Post by Semp12 on Oct 5, 2021 17:22:12 GMT -5
For everyone who thinks that Nebraska would be a good place to start men's volleyball, the immediate answer to that is yes. But if you think that John Cook is going to share that facility with a men's program, you got another thing coming. This discussion has been had on here for decades. It never comes to anything other than hopeful wishing, and ultimately frustration that AD's don't seem to get it. The reality is the men's game is growing. Mostly at the wrong levels if we are trying to grow the game at the highest levels. AD's at some of these other big time schools are watching the newly formed programs to see if their impact is as real as everyone says it will be. When they see that it does produce a good product, they will think twice when it comes to adding another men's sport to their rosters. Until then, adding this no-name school, and that no-name school are only adding opportunities for mid level guys to get in and play right away. Nothing wrong with that. And some of those kids can get pretty good with some good training and competition. But that requires a good second team, and that just isn't happening quite yet. Who knows in 10 years or so. There could be another Lewis, Loyola, or Cal Baptist waiting for the right coach and recruiting classes to come through to make them relevant. They were no-name programs that no one ever thought would be good and compete with the P5's. Until they were, and they did. And they won. The men's and women's seasons are entirely different seasons. There wouldn't be a single scheduling conflict between the men's and women's season. If anything, having the added attention of a men's program would only help the women's program recruit. But it is not going to happen. Just for reasons other than "the women's program doesn't want to share its facilities with a men's program." If you think that they don't overlap, with everything that goes on out-of-season, you are very mistaken. Ask the coaches, even at the DIII level, that coach each how easy it is to coach both. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 6, 2021 4:16:48 GMT -5
Its sad, people just don't know... These schools pack their huge arenas to see B1G women's games, which if the local community school fans were to experience the speed and excitement live of a top men's match, they would realize they've been watching WNBA layups compared to NBA dunks... Eh, I don't think that analogy really holds up. I mean, in terms of athleticism, sure. But while the difference in athleticism is kind of a deal breaker for basketball (someone would have to pay me to get me to watch the WNBA), women's volleyball in the US is actually much more popular than men's volleyball. I'm not exactly sure why, but I find the women's game much more interesting to watch than the men's game, even if the players aren't as athletic. It might have something to do with volleyball being the top women's team sport that isn't completely overshadowed by its men's counterpart. At any rate, I think women's wrestling has a lot of potential in this country. At the Olympic level, I think the US is already probably the second-best country in the world behind Japan, which has been incredibly dominant. And that's with almost no support at the NCAA level. Interesting, I’ve probably had the women’s to men’s difference in entertainment conversation at least a few dozen times and just about every single time it’s the complete opposite and the men’s game, with the right athletes on display, comes off as an entirely different world to them. I think we all know why women’s volleyball is more popular than men’s in this country and the answer is pretty annoying, but to be expected in the way we perceive masculinity in this country. I’m all about big time representation, I think just seeing any p5 School start the sport would do it a lot of good, especially seeing as there is only 2 p5 conferences with solid men’s programs. But not everyone can go to Penn State or UCLA (not that every high profile player isn’t trying), there’s tons of big schools out there that easily are mainstays in the rankings after a year or 2 of being instated Texas & Florida for example have had very successful high school club teams within the states but just haven’t made the investment in a school they can call Home so athletes go elsewhere. That’s specifically what I think needs to change in order to see some better representation on the National stage and developing a bigger pool of athletes representing USA volleyball |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 6, 2021 10:46:36 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think that analogy really holds up. I mean, in terms of athleticism, sure. But while the difference in athleticism is kind of a deal breaker for basketball (someone would have to pay me to get me to watch the WNBA), women's volleyball in the US is actually much more popular than men's volleyball. I'm not exactly sure why, but I find the women's game much more interesting to watch than the men's game, even if the players aren't as athletic. It might have something to do with volleyball being the top women's team sport that isn't completely overshadowed by its men's counterpart. At any rate, I think women's wrestling has a lot of potential in this country. At the Olympic level, I think the US is already probably the second-best country in the world behind Japan, which has been incredibly dominant. And that's with almost no support at the NCAA level. Interesting, I’ve probably had the women’s to men’s difference in entertainment conversation at least a few dozen times and just about every single time it’s the complete opposite and the men’s game, with the right athletes on display, comes off as an entirely different world to them. I think we all know why women’s volleyball is more popular than men’s in this country and the answer is pretty annoying, but to be expected in the way we perceive masculinity in this country. I’m all about big time representation, I think just seeing any p5 School start the sport would do it a lot of good, especially seeing as there is only 2 p5 conferences with solid men’s programs. But not everyone can go to Penn State or UCLA (not that every high profile player isn’t trying), there’s tons of big schools out there that easily are mainstays in the rankings after a year or 2 of being instated Texas & Florida for example have had very successful high school club teams within the states but just haven’t made the investment in a school they can call Home so athletes go elsewhere. That’s specifically what I think needs to change in order to see some better representation on the National stage and developing a bigger pool of athletes representing USA volleyball The problem men's volleyball has at the P5 schools, which are all in the FBS, is that football requires a lot of offsetting scholarships for women's sports. There's a reason why I think only UCLA, USC, Ohio State, Penn State, Stanford (who just tried to cut their men's volleyball program) and (soon to be in the Big 12) BYU sponsor the sport. You can see this when you look at how many sports, say, Iowa and Creighton sponsor. Creighton has six men's sports and doesn't sponsor football, and they also sponsor eight women's sports. At Iowa, they only sponsor one additional men's sport, but it's football. As a result, they sponsor 13 women's sports, including the just-added women's wrestling. So it's kind of tough to get any men's sport added at a P5 school, and men's volleyball isn't the only option in the event that a P5 school decides to add one. There's also lacrosse and soccer and ice hockey and a few others. I wonder if trying to get men's volleyball in the Big East might be a better option. Like if Creighton added women's wrestling, they could also add men's volleyball. |
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Post by gtrich on Oct 6, 2021 12:41:42 GMT -5
I’m all about big time representation, I think just seeing any p5 School start the sport would do it a lot of good, especially seeing as there is only 2 p5 conferences with solid men’s programs. But not everyone can go to Penn State or UCLA (not that every high profile player isn’t trying), there’s tons of big schools out there that easily are mainstays in the rankings after a year or 2 of being instated Texas & Florida for example have had very successful high school club teams within the states but just haven’t made the investment in a school they can call Home so athletes go elsewhere. Yep, it kills me. If you do a search, Texas has something like 36, college club level teams at the various universities and some of the big guys have 2 and 3 teams each. They are sooooooo close, but just won't take the next step. |
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Post by donut on Oct 6, 2021 13:48:01 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think that analogy really holds up. I mean, in terms of athleticism, sure. But while the difference in athleticism is kind of a deal breaker for basketball (someone would have to pay me to get me to watch the WNBA), women's volleyball in the US is actually much more popular than men's volleyball. I'm not exactly sure why, but I find the women's game much more interesting to watch than the men's game, even if the players aren't as athletic. It might have something to do with volleyball being the top women's team sport that isn't completely overshadowed by its men's counterpart. At any rate, I think women's wrestling has a lot of potential in this country. At the Olympic level, I think the US is already probably the second-best country in the world behind Japan, which has been incredibly dominant. And that's with almost no support at the NCAA level. Interesting, I’ve probably had the women’s to men’s difference in entertainment conversation at least a few dozen times and just about every single time it’s the complete opposite and the men’s game, with the right athletes on display, comes off as an entirely different world to them. I mean, if we're just using personal anecdotes, of my friends who watch men and women's volleyball (maybe it's not a "few dozen," but still), my friends prefer the women's game. Bigger, faster, and stronger does not necessarily mean more entertaining. Regardless, I'm not sure why we need to put the women's game down in order to grow the men's game? |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 6, 2021 14:27:38 GMT -5
Interesting, I’ve probably had the women’s to men’s difference in entertainment conversation at least a few dozen times and just about every single time it’s the complete opposite and the men’s game, with the right athletes on display, comes off as an entirely different world to them. I mean, if we're just using personal anecdotes, of my friends who watch men and women's volleyball (maybe it's not a "few dozen," but still), my friends prefer the women's game.  Bigger, faster, and stronger does not necessarily mean more entertaining. Regardless, I'm not sure why we need to put the women's game down in order to grow the men's game? Uhhhhhhhh I’m sorry, where was i “putting the women’s game down” if anything it those I’ve spoken too have a greater appreciation for the game when they realize how hard a volleyball can be hit and it still be a legal, allowable play lol. Please don’t misconstrue my words, thanks. |
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Post by donut on Oct 6, 2021 14:44:17 GMT -5
I mean, if we're just using personal anecdotes, of my friends who watch men and women's volleyball (maybe it's not a "few dozen," but still), my friends prefer the women's game. Bigger, faster, and stronger does not necessarily mean more entertaining. Regardless, I'm not sure why we need to put the women's game down in order to grow the men's game? Uhhhhhhhh I’m sorry, where was i “putting the women’s game down” if anything it those I’ve spoken too have a greater appreciation for the game when they realize how hard a volleyball can be hit and it still be a legal, allowable play lol. Please don’t misconstrue my words, thanks. It was more of a general comment, but usually when you feel the need to put "no disrespect to the women's game but...," you're disrespecting the women's game. Regardless, I'll take your word for it! I will say that when you say "seeing guys hit and play defense is different," it insinuates that difference is a good thing, and in my book, it's not. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 6, 2021 15:04:07 GMT -5
Uhhhhhhhh I’m sorry, where was i “putting the women’s game down” if anything it those I’ve spoken too have a greater appreciation for the game when they realize how hard a volleyball can be hit and it still be a legal, allowable play lol. Please don’t misconstrue my words, thanks. It was more of a general comment, but usually when you feel the need to put "no disrespect to the women's game but...," you're disrespecting the women's game. Regardless, I'll take your word for it!  I will say that when you say "seeing guys hit and play defense is different," it insinuates that difference is a good thing, and in my book, it's not. Ah ok, yea no you’re wrong in your assumption. It’s cool though, no hard feelings. |
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