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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 10:35:11 GMT -5
In a vacuum, I think Texas has little leverage to get out early at a reduced price. However, ESPN has leverage because the Big 12 is trying to negotiate a new TV deal, and it seems that ESPN is likely to be one of their future partners. Obviously, ESPN would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to join in 2024 rather than 2025 (I don't think they care about 2023 unless they buy out the last year of the CBS contract). Certainly, there could be an agreement between the Big 12, ESPN, FOX, Texas, Oklahoma and the SEC that everyone can agree upon. But the Big 12 won't lower the exit fees or waive the grant of rights without getting something significant in return. I also don't think it will be so easy for the ACC schools to get out of their GOR. Sometimes, you get stuck in a bad contract. Not sure if I made it clear - Texas leverage is via ESPN. W/O ESPN, they wouldn't have the same leverage. I think the problem is how to make FOX whole. Yeah, FOX just had a Texas home game pull in over 10 million viewers over the weekend. That's a bit of an extreme example, since they were playing Alabama, but FOX would definitely not be okay with losing access to Texas and Oklahoma home games without significant compensation. I still think the path of least resistance in this situation is for everyone to just ride out the current contract. It's only two more years after this one, and the playoff hasn't expanded yet.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 21, 2022 9:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 30, 2022 18:53:13 GMT -5
I missed this earlier, but Brett Yormark said a couple of weeks ago that Texas and Oklahoma will remain in the Big 12 until 2025.
I suppose that could still change, but this was the scenario that I always thought was most likely, as it's the path of least resistance for everyone.
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Post by knapplc on Nov 7, 2022 13:50:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure how great of a source Dan Patrick is in this situation, but here's a tweet.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 7, 2022 14:09:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure how great of a source Dan Patrick is in this situation, but here's a tweet. It is actually a source of Dan Patrick that is saying this - but by Dan Patrick saying this on his show and then tweeting him saying it on his show, I have to bet he thinks his source knows what they are talking about. Do they stop at 11 - who would be next?
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Nov 7, 2022 14:22:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure how great of a source Dan Patrick is in this situation, but here's a tweet. It is actually a source of Dan Patrick that is saying this - but by Dan Patrick saying this on his show and then tweeting him saying it on his show, I have to bet he thinks his source knows what they are talking about. Do they stop at 11 - who would be next? This school is next in
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 3, 2023 11:11:23 GMT -5
It's been a while, but Pete Thamel among others is reporting that Texas and Oklahoma won't join the SEC until 2025. This is what I expected. It always made sense why Texas and Oklahoma and the SEC would be interested in an early entrance, but it never made much sense for the Big 12, FOX and even ESPN (it doesn't really affect them much, since they share the Big 12's rights anyway). The path of least resistance was always the most likely. A deal is still theoretically possible, but it seems that Texas and Oklahoma have finally realized that it will be so expensive that just waiting out the last two years may be the best option.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 3, 2023 11:14:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure how great of a source Dan Patrick is in this situation, but here's a tweet. It is actually a source of Dan Patrick that is saying this - but by Dan Patrick saying this on his show and then tweeting him saying it on his show, I have to bet he thinks his source knows what they are talking about. Do they stop at 11 - who would be next? Hawai'i fans are tweeting that it's Hawai'i.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Feb 3, 2023 11:42:32 GMT -5
I never even entertained in my head that it would happen prior to 2025. Just never seemed probable / logical to me.
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 3, 2023 11:49:39 GMT -5
I never even entertained in my head that it would happen prior to 2025. Just never seemed probable / logical to me. I agree that it was always unlikely, but that didn't stop Texas and Oklahoma fans from insisting that an earlier exit was more likely than not.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Feb 3, 2023 11:53:23 GMT -5
I never even entertained in my head that it would happen prior to 2025. Just never seemed probable / logical to me. I agree that it was always unlikely, but that didn't stop Texas and Oklahoma fans from insisting that an earlier exit was more likely than not. Hehe hear you on that. To an extent, I kind of wanted it to happen just to see how this group of OU softball players would do in the SEC. I'm sure they'd still do very well, but maybe not six hitters hitting above .400 well.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 3, 2023 11:57:11 GMT -5
It's been a while, but Pete Thamel among others is reporting that Texas and Oklahoma won't join the SEC until 2025. This is what I expected. It always made sense why Texas and Oklahoma and the SEC would be interested in an early entrance, but it never made much sense for the Big 12, FOX and even ESPN (it doesn't really affect them much, since they share the Big 12's rights anyway). The path of least resistance was always the most likely. A deal is still theoretically possible, but it seems that Texas and Oklahoma have finally realized that it will be so expensive that just waiting out the last two years may be the best option. ESPN gets more OU/TX content in the SEC - specifically in football - and they get out of their LHN deal, which was always a loss leader. Fox is a bigger problem than the Big 12 schools. It’s also an indication of how big a loss OU/TX will be in terms of TV rights. The amount to make up that loss - even for a single season - was simply too much to overcome. 2024 was always the real goal on the Texas side. There was a lot of work put into making that happen. The problem was making the exit affordable for OU. Apparently they weren’t able to do it, which is unfortunate. It will be particularly nice for the new schools if they can grab a home game from either OU, or Texas, or both. Regardless of how competitive those two schools are on the actual football field, their name brand will make them circled dates on the calendar regardless. BYU in particular has a history of absolutely embarrassing the Longhorns in Provo. In any case, this is highly disappointing to me. I hope something changes, although I don’t know what it would be.
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Post by n00b on Feb 3, 2023 12:03:06 GMT -5
It's been a while, but Pete Thamel among others is reporting that Texas and Oklahoma won't join the SEC until 2025. This is what I expected. It always made sense why Texas and Oklahoma and the SEC would be interested in an early entrance, but it never made much sense for the Big 12, FOX and even ESPN (it doesn't really affect them much, since they share the Big 12's rights anyway). The path of least resistance was always the most likely. A deal is still theoretically possible, but it seems that Texas and Oklahoma have finally realized that it will be so expensive that just waiting out the last two years may be the best option. ESPN gets more OU/TX content in the SEC - specifically in football - and they get out of their LHN deal, which was always a loss leader. Fox is a bigger problem than the Big 12 schools. It’s also an indication of how big a loss OU/TX will be in terms of TV rights. The amount to make up that loss - even for a single season - was simply too much to overcome. 2024 was always the real goal on the Texas side. There was a lot of work put into making that happen. The problem was making the exit affordable for OU. Apparently they weren’t able to do it, which is unfortunate. It will be particularly nice for the new schools if they can grab a home game from either OU, or Texas, or both. Regardless of how competitive those two schools are on the actual football field, their name brand will make them circled dates on the calendar regardless. BYU in particular has a history of absolutely embarrassing the Longhorns in Provo. In any case, this is highly disappointing to me. I hope something changes, although I don’t know what it would be. This fall, Oklahoma plays at Cincinnati and BYU. Texas plays at Houston. So only UCF doesn't get a home game against either.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 3, 2023 12:03:50 GMT -5
I agree that it was always unlikely, but that didn't stop Texas and Oklahoma fans from insisting that an earlier exit was more likely than not. Hehe hear you on that. To an extent, I kind of wanted it to happen just to see how this group of OU softball players would do in the SEC. I'm sure they'd still do very well, but maybe not six hitters hitting above .400 well. You say that like there’s going to be a drop off. OU has built another all star team. The coach tweets put what she’s looking for, and lo and behold the best players in the country at that position enter the portal. In a partial scholarship sport OU’s NIL in softball currently runs circles around the rest of the country. If you’re wanting to see how they’ll fare in the SEC, you’ll get to find out how their equivalents will do. I assume by then the programs that value softball will have an NIL system that better competes with the Sooners, but until then ain’t nothing changing about their dominance.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 3, 2023 12:06:27 GMT -5
ESPN gets more OU/TX content in the SEC - specifically in football - and they get out of their LHN deal, which was always a loss leader. Fox is a bigger problem than the Big 12 schools. It’s also an indication of how big a loss OU/TX will be in terms of TV rights. The amount to make up that loss - even for a single season - was simply too much to overcome. 2024 was always the real goal on the Texas side. There was a lot of work put into making that happen. The problem was making the exit affordable for OU. Apparently they weren’t able to do it, which is unfortunate. It will be particularly nice for the new schools if they can grab a home game from either OU, or Texas, or both. Regardless of how competitive those two schools are on the actual football field, their name brand will make them circled dates on the calendar regardless. BYU in particular has a history of absolutely embarrassing the Longhorns in Provo. In any case, this is highly disappointing to me. I hope something changes, although I don’t know what it would be. This fall, Oklahoma plays at Cincinnati and BYU. Texas plays at Houston. So only UCF doesn't get a home game against either. And now with a second season either the Big 12 simply goes home and away, so BYU gets a home game against Texas, or they spread the wealth and get UCF in on the action.
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