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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2023 13:31:36 GMT -5
Lol, we're not pretending that the AAU actually matters for conference realignment, are we? I appreciate the irony of a Nebraska fan pointing this out as much as the rest of VT, believe me. Lol, fair enough. Anyway, regarding your initial post, I'm sure the Big Ten would love to have Notre Dame with or without USC. And they're happy to have USC with or without Notre Dame. Both schools are very valuable to the TV networks, who are the ones really calling the shots.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2023 13:44:20 GMT -5
Strangely enough, that shows Oregon as having more views than "the only really valuable brand in the PAC" or whatever it is that people are saying about USC. That’s a one season metric that doesn’t take into account what platform or time slot the various teams played in. This is a very important point. All those factors and more (e.g. opponents) have to be controlled for.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 1, 2023 14:07:16 GMT -5
Anyone else think that the real hold up right now is that Washington/Oregon are finalizing details with the Big 10 about joining and their revenue share, the Big 10 is going back to their media deal to squeeze more money by adding schools and both schools leave to the Big 10 starting in 2024 with USC and UCLA.
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Post by jgoodson on Jun 1, 2023 14:09:21 GMT -5
It is interesting that Arizona State University was added to the AAU. The AAU designation is important to the Big Ten. Currently, I think Nebraska is the only member not on the AAU list. If/when the PAC unravels, I think it would be good to add one of the Arizona Schools. University of Arizona was on the AAU list, not ASU. ASU has a hockey team that played a Big Ten schedule during the pandemic. The Big Ten Hockey league has 7 hockey teams including Notre Dame. Has been looking for an eighth. ASU brings the Phoenix market. It has long been accepted that Notre Dame would be allowed in the Big Ten without being in the AAU. Notre Dame has a good academic reputation. It had come up short on the research side. The Big Ten is in a strong position. It does not need to beg anybody. The AAU list has been updated. www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-membersHere is the hockey schedule ASU played during the pandemic. thesundevils.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule/2020-21 If the Big Ten wants to get to 20 teams, Washington, Oregon, ASU and either Stanford or Utah would work. I would like to see both Stanford and Utah to get to 21 teams. Then wait for Notre Dame and then later to see if the ACC teams figure out a way out of the grant of rights for UNC and Virginia, also both on the AAU list.
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Post by n00b on Jun 1, 2023 14:15:43 GMT -5
Anyone else think that the real hold up right now is that Washington/Oregon are finalizing details with the Big 10 about joining and their revenue share, the Big 10 is going back to their media deal to squeeze more money by adding schools and both schools leave to the Big 10 starting in 2024 with USC and UCLA. I just don't see the Big Ten being THAT interested in adding those two at this point. I could be wrong, but you already have a weekly football game in the Pacific time zone. So do those two really add enough value that it's worth splitting the revenue 18 ways instead of 16? Plus, it makes the travel worse for 14 schools and better for the two programs who just joined. I just don't see it from the Big Ten side, unless Washington and Oregon are trying to get an offer at a lower percentage of the media revenue. Not to mention, apparently the Big Ten media deal never actually got signed before commissioner Kevin Warren left.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 1, 2023 14:38:47 GMT -5
The Big Ten is in a strong position. It does not need to beg anybody. Well, this kind of flies in the face of the fact that the Big 10 *has* been begging (or "wooing" if you don't like "begging") Notre Dame to join for at least a decade or two now.
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Post by jgoodson on Jun 1, 2023 14:57:58 GMT -5
The Big Ten is in a strong position. It does not need to beg anybody. Well, this kind of flies in the face of the fact that the Big 10 *has* been begging (or "wooing" if you don't like "begging") Notre Dame to join for at least a decade or two now. I have been following this with interest since it first became an issue. You can make an offer to buy a business for a price that you think is fair and the party offered can refuse. It is business, just business. Not begging. If you are about to go bankrupt (or if your conference cannot get a tv deal), maybe the term begging becomes descriptive.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 1, 2023 15:10:43 GMT -5
Anyone else think that the real hold up right now is that Washington/Oregon are finalizing details with the Big 10 about joining and their revenue share, the Big 10 is going back to their media deal to squeeze more money by adding schools and both schools leave to the Big 10 starting in 2024 with USC and UCLA. At first glance - I think this is a no, given the multiple reports that the B1G has no interest in WA/OR unless/until the PAC dies. But I guess this is possible. WA/OR is negotiating with the B1G on an unequal share - and this is sabotaging a new PAC deal? Or at least they are trying to figure out what is in their best interest - and any reasonable PAC contract isn't in their best interest which is why a new deal hasn't occurred. The PAC needs to be unified in order to get their best deal, but not sure everyone is on board, so it has become rather difficult.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 1, 2023 15:20:24 GMT -5
Anyone else think that the real hold up right now is that Washington/Oregon are finalizing details with the Big 10 about joining and their revenue share, the Big 10 is going back to their media deal to squeeze more money by adding schools and both schools leave to the Big 10 starting in 2024 with USC and UCLA. I just don't see the Big Ten being THAT interested in adding those two at this point. I could be wrong, but you already have a weekly football game in the Pacific time zone. So do those two really add enough value that it's worth splitting the revenue 18 ways instead of 16? Plus, it makes the travel worse for 14 schools and better for the two programs who just joined. I just don't see it from the Big Ten side, unless Washington and Oregon are trying to get an offer at a lower percentage of the media revenue. Not to mention, apparently the Big Ten media deal never actually got signed before commissioner Kevin Warren left. And what they really wanted was USC. UCLA was a tag-along. They swallowed the canary, and now what? Nothing, it would seem. On the other hand, if Stanford, Washington, and Oregon stand pat, the Pac can remain viable, even if slimmed down to eight. One option that has been talked about is to merge the PacNet and ACCNet, which could kill two birds with one stone (Pac without a deal and ACC with a deal that it hates). www.zenger.news/2023/03/03/long-shot-espn-acc-and-pac-12-talked-about-a-joint-tv-deal-could-it-really-happen/
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Post by knapplc on Jun 5, 2023 13:25:37 GMT -5
Possibly/possibly not related to this discussion: University of Colorado Board of Regents' Tuesday meeting agenda features agenda item: "Legal advice on a specific matter - athletics matter at CU Boulder" link
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Post by knapplc on Jun 5, 2023 13:35:03 GMT -5
Possibly related to the above news:
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Post by horns1 on Jun 5, 2023 13:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 5, 2023 13:42:26 GMT -5
This is why business people try to keep their private jets as anonymous as possible. Of course, they could just fly commercial, but that might mean mixing with Riff and Raff.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 5, 2023 13:59:36 GMT -5
There is a lot of smoke right now - including Arizona along with Colorado. But much of this is coming from a single source (Swaim)- and I am rather confused by this critical sentence: <<Colorado and Arizona are the schools planning to leave the Pac-12 and join the Big 12 Conference, according to a report from The Swaim Show, which notes that although "nothing becomes official until the Pac-12 gets their TV deal finalized," all signs point to the schools making the move.>> Nothing happens until Pac-12 gets their TV deal finalized - since it doesn't sound like this is close to happening (like today) - then it wouldn't seem like there would be a move (like today or this week)?
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 5, 2023 19:58:04 GMT -5
There is a lot of smoke right now - including Arizona along with Colorado. But much of this is coming from a single source (Swaim)- and I am rather confused by this critical sentence: <<Colorado and Arizona are the schools planning to leave the Pac-12 and join the Big 12 Conference, according to a report from The Swaim Show, which notes that although "nothing becomes official until the Pac-12 gets their TV deal finalized," all signs point to the schools making the move.>> Nothing happens until Pac-12 gets their TV deal finalized - since it doesn't sound like this is close to happening (like today) - then it wouldn't seem like there would be a move (like today or this week)? I put almost no stock into anything Swaim says. That said, there is a lot of smoke as you said. And if three Colorado board members really did fly to Dallas, then I think there may be more to this one than pretty much all of the other ones since the USC and UCLA departure. Still could be nothing.
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