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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 7, 2021 18:13:14 GMT -5
Can't see any of the other PAC teams catching up as of now, but UW always seems to pick things up at the end of regular season. UCLA has not only the one game lead but also a schedule advantage. OSU, Cal, and Arizona ought to be easy wins. USC and ASU are certainly winnable. At Oregon is likely their toughest match. Meanwhile Washington plays at Stanford, at Colorado, and has Oregon and WSU at home. With those schedules I think Washington is more likely to drop a match or two than UCLA, and the Bruins already have a match lead in hand. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 7, 2021 18:33:18 GMT -5
oh for some reason I thought Fleck wasn't going to take her COVID year lol mb Well, having another year is different than playing another year. One doesn't guarantee the other. I've wondered about Fleck's future. I think she is skilled enough to give Wong-Orantes a credible push in the USA gym, which means she could at least make a living as a libero overseas while that all plays out. I don't see how another year in college would benefit her as much as playing pro, if the USA gym is her goal. This is OT but for a long time now I've felt that the US college educational system is simply broken. Two years would accomplish, for 80% of students, what four years accomplishes (unless we're talking about an undergrad professional degree like Accounting or Nursing), and yet employers seem generallly unwilling to budge from requiring a four year college degree during the interview weeding out process. There is way, way too much summer camp built into the current system, and parents are held hostage to pay for it all. Jobs, Wozniak and Gates got it right... spend some time in college then move on to get on with real life. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 7, 2021 18:49:20 GMT -5
This is OT but for a long time now I've felt that the US college educational system is simply broken. Two years would accomplish, for 80% of students, what four years accomplishes (unless we're talking about an undergrad professional degree like Accounting or Nursing), and yet employers seem generallly unwilling to budge from requiring a four year college degree during the interview weeding out process. There is way, way too much summer camp built into the current system, and parents are held hostage to pay for it all. Jobs and Gates got it right... spend some time in college then move on to get on with real life. A lot of people think 4 years is too short for an engineering degree. Jobs and Gates happened to be in the right place at the right time when their field was brand new and there wasn't really much they could learn about it in college. I don't know about Jobs, but I do know Gates came from a wealthy family and went to the most privileged prep school in Seattle, where he had access to a computer lab in high school that almost no one else of his age would have had. |
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Post by msrsv on Nov 7, 2021 19:10:27 GMT -5
Well, having another year is different than playing another year. One doesn't guarantee the other. I've wondered about Fleck's future. I think she is skilled enough to give Wong-Orantes a credible push in the USA gym, which means she could at least make a living as a libero overseas while that all plays out. I don't see how another year in college would benefit her as much as playing pro, if the USA gym is her goal. This is OT but for a long time now I've felt that the US college educational system is simply broken. Two years would accomplish, for 80% of students, what four years accomplishes (unless we're talking about an undergrad professional degree like Accounting or Nursing), and yet employers seem generallly unwilling to budge from requiring a four year college degree during the interview weeding out process. There is way, way too much summer camp built into the current system, and parents are held hostage to pay for it all. Jobs, Wozniak and Gates got it right... spend some time in college then move on to get on with real life. Our society would have to make some serious changes if we went from 4-5 years to 2 for a bachelors equivalent. Kids would be getting full time professional jobs before they could rent a car, secure a hotel room, go out wth colleagues for happy hour… |
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Post by msrsv on Nov 7, 2021 19:19:31 GMT -5
UCLA played pretty clean despite a few passing and defensive hiccups. CU had a few too many hitting and serve receive errors - you cannot do that at home against a good team. Martin made good set selection choices, esp keeping May involved when she wasn’t getting kills as easily as many would expect. It was good to see Dodson playing at 100% for the first time in three years… well, for me anyway. And Fleck… dang!
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Post by doublecontact on Nov 7, 2021 19:26:47 GMT -5
I've wondered about Fleck's future. I think she is skilled enough to give Wong-Orantes a credible push in the USA gym, which means she could at least make a living as a libero overseas while that all plays out. I don't see how another year in college would benefit her as much as playing pro, if the USA gym is her goal. This is OT but for a long time now I've felt that the US college educational system is simply broken. Two years would accomplish, for 80% of students, what four years accomplishes (unless we're talking about an undergrad professional degree like Accounting or Nursing), and yet employers seem generallly unwilling to budge from requiring a four year college degree during the interview weeding out process. There is way, way too much summer camp built into the current system, and parents are held hostage to pay for it all. Jobs, Wozniak and Gates got it right... spend some time in college then move on to get on with real life. Our society would have to make some serious changes if we went from 4-5 years to 2 for a bachelors equivalent. Kids would be getting full time professional jobs before they could rent a car, secure a hotel room, go out wth colleagues for happy hour… For what it’s worth… college degrees often have random required classes that I honestly thought wasn’t productive albeit fun. I think 2.5-3 years is more appropriate honestly |
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Post by doublecontact on Nov 7, 2021 19:30:21 GMT -5
Can't see any of the other PAC teams catching up as of now, but UW always seems to pick things up at the end of regular season. UCLA has not only the one game lead but also a schedule advantage. OSU, Cal, and Arizona ought to be easy wins. USC and ASU are certainly winnable. At Oregon is likely their toughest match. Meanwhile Washington plays at Stanford, at Colorado, and has Oregon and WSU at home. With those schedules I think Washington is more likely to drop a match or two than UCLA, and the Bruins already have a match lead in hand. Yea I can’t see UCLA dropping another game except maybe Oregon or ASU, but Luper would have to continue to be out. WSU seems to be Washington’s kryptonite. With Kipp back, Stanford is dangerous again. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 7, 2021 21:30:04 GMT -5
I've wondered about Fleck's future. I think she is skilled enough to give Wong-Orantes a credible push in the USA gym, which means she could at least make a living as a libero overseas while that all plays out. I don't see how another year in college would benefit her as much as playing pro, if the USA gym is her goal. This is OT but for a long time now I've felt that the US college educational system is simply broken. Two years would accomplish, for 80% of students, what four years accomplishes (unless we're talking about an undergrad professional degree like Accounting or Nursing), and yet employers seem generallly unwilling to budge from requiring a four year college degree during the interview weeding out process. There is way, way too much summer camp built into the current system, and parents are held hostage to pay for it all. Jobs, Wozniak and Gates got it right... spend some time in college then move on to get on with real life. Our society would have to make some serious changes if we went from 4-5 years to 2 for a bachelors equivalent. Kids would be getting full time professional jobs before they could rent a car, secure a hotel room, go out wth colleagues for happy hour… I don't think a Bachelor's equivalent is needed for 99% of jobs. I had mentioned professional degrees in my OP, and I did forget to mention Engineering, or Architecture for that matter. But 90% of students don't get a professional degree. Economics is not a professional degree, nor is biology, chemistry, physics, math, english, history, psychology, sociology, (well that IS sort of an athlete's "professional" degree), etc. It shouldn't take four years for an 18 year old to learn to think critically, apply the scientific method in solving a life problem, speak and write with mostly correct grammar, and do basic arithmetic. In those same two years learn how to get along in a room with a stranger, learn the difference between going through he motions and actually studying, and figure out what kind of career might interest them. In some ways the 4-5 year "college experience" has put a burden on students to be in school when they really don't like school, and burdened both students and parents with educational debt that is mostly wasteful. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 7, 2021 22:29:29 GMT -5
Our society would have to make some serious changes if we went from 4-5 years to 2 for a bachelors equivalent. Kids would be getting full time professional jobs before they could rent a car, secure a hotel room, go out wth colleagues for happy hour… I don't think a Bachelor's equivalent is needed for 99% of jobs. I had mentioned professional degrees in my OP, and I did forget to mention Engineering, or Architecture for that matter. But 90% of students don't get a professional degree. Economics is not a professional degree, nor is biology, chemistry, physics, math, english, history, psychology, sociology, (well that IS sort of an athlete's "professional" degree), etc. It shouldn't take four years for an 18 year old to learn to think critically, apply the scientific method in solving a life problem, speak and write with mostly correct grammar, and do basic arithmetic. In those same two years learn how to get along in a room with a stranger, learn the difference between going through he motions and actually studying, and figure out what kind of career might interest them. In some ways the 4-5 year "college experience" has put a burden on students to be in school when they really don't like school, and burdened both students and parents with educational debt that is mostly wasteful. Nobody has to go to college. My brother in law went into the Marines and then had a good career in the construction trades. But you are way off the mark if you think science positions don't require more than a couple of years in college. If you have a science degree and don't have a Phd, you are basically a lab tech. (Not that there is anything wrong with lab techs, but if you want a career as a "scientist" then you are looking at needing at least one PhD.) |
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Post by BeiBei on Nov 8, 2021 0:31:38 GMT -5
who's going to set for UCLA next season? and who's going to play libero? because Jacobs, Luper, and Ndiaye seems like a fearsome pin trio for next year There'll be a transfer setter. Devon Chang would be back and should be healthy to go |
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Post by BeiBei on Nov 8, 2021 0:38:18 GMT -5
Ucla only signed two new players next year and if McCall and Fleck want to come back , there are enough scholarships for them. The scholarship for the two incoming freshmen should come from Martin and possibly Ryan. If Chang does not return, her spot will go to a transfer setter.
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Post by gobruins on Nov 8, 2021 9:36:44 GMT -5
who's going to set for UCLA next season? and who's going to play libero? because Jacobs, Luper, and Ndiaye seems like a fearsome pin trio for next year They only have one DS/L on their current roster that isn't a senior so hopefully they have someone coming in Everyone on the UCLA roster, except for Mac May and Shelby Martin, are eligible to return next season. Doesn't mean they will, but they are eligible. Should get a better idea of who is likely to return when we see who gets honored on Senior Day, on Nov. 24. |
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