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Post by winesalot on Nov 27, 2021 12:24:23 GMT -5
Can an athlete sign an NLI and enter the portal before she's even graduated high school? This doesn't seem like it's right, but I saw something on social media to suggest that it's happening. I take everything I see on SM with a grain of salt so I thought I ask VTers who would know the rules. The school is allowed to release an athlete from their NLI obligations. But generally no, they can't play for any other school in what would be their freshman year. Here's the exact language from the NLI website: "I understand that if I do not attend the institution named in this document for one full academic year and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not compete in intercollegiate athletics until I have completed one full academic year in residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of one season of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports. This is in addition to any seasons of competition used at any institution." www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/index.htmlThanks for the info! I knew that what I was reading had to be incorrect (or at least not as simple as a regular transfer). |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 27, 2021 12:48:20 GMT -5
Can an athlete sign an NLI and enter the portal before she's even graduated high school? This doesn't seem like it's right, but I saw something on social media to suggest that it's happening. I take everything I see on SM with a grain of salt so I thought I ask VTers who would know the rules. I doubt she could enter the portal since she has not yet entered college. I suspect she is using the portal as terminology to indicate that she is going to pick a different school. The NLI doesn't prevent a recruit from changing their choice to another school. As stated above, it just prevents them from participating in athletics in their first year. However if the school (first one) release her from the NLI, then she is free to choose another school and participate in athletics that first year. |
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Post by leftyopp on Nov 27, 2021 13:34:35 GMT -5
How did transfers work out for programs this year? I think Skinner to Baylor was this year’s biggest transfer success story. Other than her making a nice impact, the chemistry she has with the team seems strong! Meghan Neelon (transfer from Alabama) turned UNC into a 5-1 offense and led them to a 29 RPI and their first tourney appearance (presumably) since 2016... Also... Nia Parker-Robinson has had a big impact on the Outside for the Heels. |
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Post by vbjustice on Nov 27, 2021 14:51:01 GMT -5
How did transfers work out for programs this year? I think Skinner to Baylor was this year’s biggest transfer success story. Other than her making a nice impact, the chemistry she has with the team seems strong! Meghan Neelon (transfer from Alabama) turned UNC into a 5-1 offense and led them to a 29 RPI and their first tourney appearance (presumably) since 2016... Also... Nia Parker-Robinson has had a big impact on the Outside for the Heels. yes Robinson was fantastic. |
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Post by Friday on Nov 27, 2021 15:00:04 GMT -5
Can an athlete sign an NLI and enter the portal before she's even graduated high school? This doesn't seem like it's right, but I saw something on social media to suggest that it's happening. I take everything I see on SM with a grain of salt so I thought I ask VTers who would know the rules. This is interesting. Class of 2022 recruiting was a mess between the recruiting rule changes and covid. I could see where some made decisions without visiting or getting to know players and coaches. Maybe some are regretting decisions now. Future school scoops up a player from the portal, current players take their covid year or if their soon to be head coach is let go, do they have second thoughts now? Many PSAs don't get a full 4 years on scholarship. Many did not sign NLIs on signing day if they aren't getting money their first semester. So I'm sure there are some that are under no legal obligation to the school that they gave their verbal commitment to. It would certainly be a bad look to just decommit and recommit elsewhere without some mitigating factor - ie. coaching change, financial situation change. Is it better to change now before enrolling or give it a year and see how it goes? I actually feel for the coaches who are having to manage player transfers, the portal and covid bonus years. So many moving parts. |
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Post by exit237a on Nov 27, 2021 15:38:00 GMT -5
How did transfers work out for programs this year? I think Skinner to Baylor was this year’s biggest transfer success story. Other than her making a nice impact, the chemistry she has with the team seems strong! Junior outside hitter Jessica Nunge transferred from Florida State to Illinois and has been a good fit. Seems like a cool head out there and a steadying presence for the Illini who were down two starting pins going into this season. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 27, 2021 15:41:23 GMT -5
Abby Bottomley should be high on the impact transfers list
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Post by winesalot on Nov 27, 2021 16:20:03 GMT -5
Can an athlete sign an NLI and enter the portal before she's even graduated high school? This doesn't seem like it's right, but I saw something on social media to suggest that it's happening. I take everything I see on SM with a grain of salt so I thought I ask VTers who would know the rules. I doubt she could enter the portal since she has not yet entered college. I suspect she is using the portal as terminology to indicate that she is going to pick a different school. The NLI doesn't prevent a recruit from changing their choice to another school. As stated above, it just prevents them from participating in athletics in their first year. However if the school (first one) release her from the NLI, then she is free to choose another school and participate in athletics that first year. Huh, that's interesting. I'd be very curious if this happened with this particular SA. She now claims to be committed to a school that has a way better record than the school she signed with a few weeks ago. I would think it would be unlikely that school A would release her so she could go play for a better program, but I guess there could be a host of reasons why this might happen. |
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Post by veebznerd on Nov 27, 2021 16:31:06 GMT -5
I doubt she could enter the portal since she has not yet entered college. I suspect she is using the portal as terminology to indicate that she is going to pick a different school. The NLI doesn't prevent a recruit from changing their choice to another school. As stated above, it just prevents them from participating in athletics in their first year. However if the school (first one) release her from the NLI, then she is free to choose another school and participate in athletics that first year. Huh, that's interesting. I'd be very curious if this happened with this particular SA. She now claims to be committed to a school that has a way better record than the school she signed with a few weeks ago. I would think it would be unlikely that school A would release her so she could go play for a better program, but I guess there could be a host of reasons why this might happen. How about linking that SM post for the rest of us to see...since it's public (SM) knowledge now :-) |
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Post by veebznerd on Nov 27, 2021 16:35:33 GMT -5
Can an athlete sign an NLI and enter the portal before she's even graduated high school? This doesn't seem like it's right, but I saw something on social media to suggest that it's happening. I take everything I see on SM with a grain of salt so I thought I ask VTers who would know the rules. The school is allowed to release an athlete from their NLI obligations. But generally no, they can't play for any other school in what would be their freshman year. Here's the exact language from the NLI website: "I understand that if I do not attend the institution named in this document for one full academic year and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not compete in intercollegiate athletics until I have completed one full academic year in residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of one season of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports. This is in addition to any seasons of competition used at any institution." www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/index.htmlWhat about a freshman player that was at the school for summer and fall and wants to enter the portal and transfer for the upcoming season. Would they have to wait until after the spring semester or could they go in to the new school FOR the spring semester? One season was used at current institution but there hasn't been a full year of academic residence. I thought the one time transfer rule would apply to that kind of situation. No? |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 27, 2021 16:47:50 GMT -5
I doubt she could enter the portal since she has not yet entered college. I suspect she is using the portal as terminology to indicate that she is going to pick a different school. The NLI doesn't prevent a recruit from changing their choice to another school. As stated above, it just prevents them from participating in athletics in their first year. However if the school (first one) release her from the NLI, then she is free to choose another school and participate in athletics that first year. Huh, that's interesting. I'd be very curious if this happened with this particular SA. She now claims to be committed to a school that has a way better record than the school she signed with a few weeks ago. I would think it would be unlikely that school A would release her so she could go play for a better program, but I guess there could be a host of reasons why this might happen. It just dawned on me that she would have just signed 17 days ago if she signed on the first day. Wonder why she just didn't sign if she was going to change her mind on schools? I suspect she won't get released for awhile at least. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 27, 2021 16:53:35 GMT -5
The school is allowed to release an athlete from their NLI obligations. But generally no, they can't play for any other school in what would be their freshman year. Here's the exact language from the NLI website: "I understand that if I do not attend the institution named in this document for one full academic year and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not compete in intercollegiate athletics until I have completed one full academic year in residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of one season of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports. This is in addition to any seasons of competition used at any institution." www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/index.htmlWhat about a freshman player that was at the school for summer and fall and wants to enter the portal and transfer for the upcoming season. Would they have to wait until after the spring semester or could they go in to the new school FOR the spring semester? One season was used at current institution but there hasn't been a full year of academic residence. I thought the one time transfer rule would apply to that kind of situation. No? The one-time transfer rules are completely separate from the NLI provisions. Summer and fall doesn't count as a year. I think if they graduated high school early and spent the Spring then Fall at their first school, they would've satisfied the NLI agreement. |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 27, 2021 16:53:51 GMT -5
The school is allowed to release an athlete from their NLI obligations. But generally no, they can't play for any other school in what would be their freshman year. Here's the exact language from the NLI website: "I understand that if I do not attend the institution named in this document for one full academic year and I enroll in another institution participating in the NLI program, I may not compete in intercollegiate athletics until I have completed one full academic year in residence at the latter institution. Further, I understand I shall be charged with the loss of one season of intercollegiate athletics competition in all sports. This is in addition to any seasons of competition used at any institution." www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/index.htmlWhat about a freshman player that was at the school for summer and fall and wants to enter the portal and transfer for the upcoming season. Would they have to wait until after the spring semester or could they go in to the new school FOR the spring semester? One season was used at current institution but there hasn't been a full year of academic residence. I thought the one time transfer rule would apply to that kind of situation. No? My understanding is that she can still transfer for the spring. She just wouldn't be able to participate in athletic competition until the fall when the NLI expires. The transfer rule would cover her eligibility to play next fall (regardless of whether she transfers before or after the spring). |
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Post by n00b on Nov 27, 2021 17:01:13 GMT -5
What about a freshman player that was at the school for summer and fall and wants to enter the portal and transfer for the upcoming season. Would they have to wait until after the spring semester or could they go in to the new school FOR the spring semester? One season was used at current institution but there hasn't been a full year of academic residence. I thought the one time transfer rule would apply to that kind of situation. No? My understanding is that she can still transfer for the spring. She just wouldn't be able to participate in athletic competition until the fall when the NLI expires. The transfer rule would cover her eligibility to play next fall (regardless of whether she transfers before or after the spring). Generally this isn't true. If an athlete signs an NLI, they are required to spend a full academic year (2 semesters/3 quarters) at the school they signed with. The penalty for breaking that agreement is they must spend a year in residency at the new school and forfeit a year of eligibility. In practice, if an athlete goes to their coach in December and says "I'm absolutely not playing here next fall", the coach and administration will almost always be fine releasing them from their NLI and allow them to go away. It doesn't benefit anybody to make them stay there for the spring and use up a scholarship if you know they won't be there the next fall. The exception MIGHT be during a coaching change. I guess administration could require them to give the new hire a shot for a semester in the spring. |
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Post by winesalot on Nov 27, 2021 17:09:26 GMT -5
Huh, that's interesting. I'd be very curious if this happened with this particular SA. She now claims to be committed to a school that has a way better record than the school she signed with a few weeks ago. I would think it would be unlikely that school A would release her so she could go play for a better program, but I guess there could be a host of reasons why this might happen. It just dawned on me that she would have just signed 17 days ago if she signed on the first day. Wonder why she just didn't sign if she was going to change her mind on schools? I suspect she won't get released for awhile at least. Her recent signing is what made me suspect in the first place. |
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