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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2021 14:58:03 GMT -5
Oh, and back to the original topic: I still stand by my position that they just need to let everyone in the tournament. 340 single elimination. Granted, I'd prefer a double- or even triple-elimination format, but in the end, let them all in. What if the top-2 teams from each conference were AQs, and they took twice as many at-large teams, making it a 128-team tournament. And then they made the subregionals eight teams instead of four. That would add only one match but get twice as many teams into the tournament. Of course, that might mean twice as much travel costs, which the NCAA would choke on. If you are going to add 1 more match, you might as well make it a weekend, and add 2. And if you make it a long weekend, you add 3 as needed. Heck, most teams are already playing conference tournaments in the last week or two anyway, so just make them all count toward the tournament.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5
What if the top-2 teams from each conference were AQs, and they took twice as many at-large teams, making it a 128-team tournament. And then they made the subregionals eight teams instead of four. That would add only one match but get twice as many teams into the tournament. Of course, that might mean twice as much travel costs, which the NCAA would choke on. If you are going to add 1 more match, you might as well make it a weekend, and add 2. And if you make it a long weekend, you add 3 as needed. Heck, most teams are already playing conference tournaments in the last week or two anyway, so just make them all count toward the tournament. Not all conferences have tournaments. And that extra weekend you are talking about? That would be Thanksgiving weekend. You would have teams flying all around the country for tournament matches played over Thanksgiving? I understand the suggestion, but I think it solves a problem that mostly doesn't exist. For every "how could they have not selected USC?" problem avoided, you would be taking away a week of conference play from the conferences who don't have tournaments, and you would be co-opting the conference tournaments of the conferences that do have tournaments.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2021 15:09:51 GMT -5
Despite that every "bubble team" feels like they have a good case to get into the tournament, we know that the parity just does not exist in D1 WVB enough that it's going to make a significant change to the championship whether the #45 team is picked as the last at-large or whether the #46 team is picked instead.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2021 15:15:48 GMT -5
If you are going to add 1 more match, you might as well make it a weekend, and add 2. And if you make it a long weekend, you add 3 as needed. Heck, most teams are already playing conference tournaments in the last week or two anyway, so just make them all count toward the tournament. Not all conferences have tournaments. . Yeah, and see, that's not fair. Some conferences have 6 team conference tournaments, some conferences don't have any, some conferences allow everyone in. Why should Indiana not have a chance to make the tournament but the last place team in the MEAC does? And the first rounds wouldn't be as much flying on the whole, because you don't have to worry about who qualifies and you have 64 host sites to drive to. You will still run out of hosts in the NE, but there's not much you can do about that. I like the idea of Thanksgiving having up to 84 first round matches, to be followed up with 196 more on Sat and Sun, where they all matter. If you wanted double elimination, you'd have to start probably on Tuesday....
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -5
The thing is, all these fanciful ideas need to be grounded. Somebody has to set the rules for what is to be minimized and what is to be maximized. Days of rest? Travel for the student athletes? The number of teams participating? The cost? The number of facilities used? Opportunity for fans to attend live matches? The number of weeks the tournament happens over?
We can come up with all sorts of solutions, but until we agree on what we are trying to solve, we will be just talking past each other.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2021 15:21:59 GMT -5
Despite that every "bubble team" feels like they have a good case to get into the tournament, we know that the parity just does not exist in D1 WVB enough that it's going to make a significant change to the championship whether the #45 team is picked as the last at-large or whether the #46 team is picked instead. Not really, no, although I will say the last at-large team make a bigger difference than the last conference champion.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2021 15:23:07 GMT -5
The thing is, all these fanciful ideas need to be grounded. Hey, I already conceded that a triple-elimination format was not feasible. I'm cooperating here...
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 29, 2021 15:43:19 GMT -5
The thing is, all these fanciful ideas need to be grounded. Hey, I already conceded that a triple-elimination format was not feasible. I'm cooperating here... Fargo is truly one of the greatest movies ever made.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2021 15:55:54 GMT -5
Hey, I already conceded that a triple-elimination format was not feasible. I'm cooperating here... Fargo is truly one of the greatest movies ever made.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 29, 2021 18:18:59 GMT -5
the NCAA fully seeds the MBB tournament because that is their biggest moneymaker. they fully seed the WBB just in the name of "equity" to match the MBB bracket. the NCAA isn't in charge of the FBS football "playoff", but they are in charge of the FCS football playoff, and they only seed the top 8 of 24 (they used to only seed the top quarter, same as they do for VB: as they only seeded the top 4 when it was a 16-team field, and the top 5 when it was a 20-team field. They bumped it up to seeding the top 8 when they moved to a 24-team b/c it made more sense with the format than just doing the top 6). I'm fairly sure they only seed the top quarter or so in the D2 and D3 playoffs too. Are there any other sports where they fully seed the tournament field? I don't really follow any other college sports that closely. Wrestling true. seeding the entire field is more feasible when the entire tournament takes place in one location. But that will never happen for volleyball.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 29, 2021 18:23:20 GMT -5
Oh, and back to the original topic: I still stand by my position that they just need to let everyone in the tournament. 340 single elimination. Granted, I'd prefer a double- or even triple-elimination format, but in the end, let them all in. (almost*) everyone is already in the tournament in the sense that (almost*) every team has a chance to qualify for their conference's automatic bid for the tournament. (* the exception being those teams that are under a postseason ban for NCAA or academic infractions, and those whose conferences refuse to let them compete for the conference AQ)
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Nov 29, 2021 18:45:32 GMT -5
How many schools draw a larger crowd for VB than women's hoops?
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2021 20:11:14 GMT -5
seeding the entire field is more feasible when the entire tournament takes place in one location. But that will never happen for volleyball. Is this intentionally ironic or unintentionally ironic?
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 29, 2021 22:41:40 GMT -5
seeding the entire field is more feasible when the entire tournament takes place in one location. But that will never happen for volleyball. Is this intentionally ironic or unintentionally ironic? 2021 never actually existed. it has all been a figment of our collective fever dreams
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 20, 2022 19:14:55 GMT -5
Idk where to put this but John Cook said on a podcast that the NCAA is looking to seed the top 32 teams for the tournament this year?
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