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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 28, 2021 14:59:12 GMT -5
The problem with international recruits are two fold. One is getting them accepted and in the country - there's a whole lot that can go wrong there. The second is they are not better than US recruits. Very few are good enough to start on a top 10 team and if they are they may just choose to play professionally at home. We had just one, Ari, and she was not a starter until her super senior year. That could very well happen to the Canadian setter, Chloe Ng. Most situations with a lot of international players, like Rutgers, is because they can't get the top USA players. Wisconsin having two starting is a rarity. I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 28, 2021 15:00:44 GMT -5
Does the Canadian setter check that box for you? I know nothing about this Canadian Setter coming in. I guess I am ASSUMING she will be on the bench a lot with Shaff being Hugh's #1 starting setter for up to 3 more years. However, a lot can happen in 3 years and we will see. I more mentioned her as filling that international component that the poster was inquiring about. That being said, it seems odd to assumingly pay someone to ride the bench. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 28, 2021 15:15:48 GMT -5
I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before. Minnesota had 2 in 2015  (according to FIVB federation anyways) unless Rosado wasn't a starter... but I think she was |
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 28, 2021 15:17:42 GMT -5
I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before. Minnesota had 2 in 2015 (according to FIVB federation anyways) unless Rosado wasn't a starter... but I think she was Well, OK, but still not common. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:19:27 GMT -5
The problem with international recruits are two fold. One is getting them accepted and in the country - there's a whole lot that can go wrong there. The second is they are not better than US recruits. Very few are good enough to start on a top 10 team and if they are they may just choose to play professionally at home. We had just one, Ari, and she was not a starter until her super senior year. That could very well happen to the Canadian setter, Chloe Ng. Most situations with a lot of international players, like Rutgers, is because they can't get the top USA players. Wisconsin having two starting is a rarity. I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before. "The second is they are not better than US recruits."
Yet, we know that a lot of these countries' national teams compete with and even beat the US national team. So it's not like they don't have the high end talent coming up in those countries.
Just a matter of if those top players in those countries then want to leave to play college in the US. If you're saying they don't, fine. I don't know how often it is the situation, vs wanting to stay home for college or pro.
Georgia Tech has those two Brazilians? Or one is Irish-Brazilian, or something.
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Post by mplssetter on Dec 28, 2021 15:20:09 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I like Hugh and I'm glad he's at Minnesota and hope that he's here for a long time. However, I'm still waiting on him to leverage his international connections and pull in some big time international recruit. Does the Canadian setter check that box for you? I guess the jury is still out. I haven't seen or really heard much about this player other than the highlight reel that was posted. |
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Post by courtwatchers on Dec 28, 2021 15:20:15 GMT -5
Again, Hugh emphasizes a lot on 6R players and the setting. Oddly enough that is not what won Wisconsin the Championship nor what almost won Nebraska the Natty.
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Post by mplssetter on Dec 28, 2021 15:22:42 GMT -5
I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before. Minnesota had 2 in 2015 (according to FIVB federation anyways) unless Rosado wasn't a starter... but I think she was Wasn't Rosado and Santana already being recruited by Hebert before Hugh even got here? |
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 28, 2021 15:25:17 GMT -5
Minnesota had 2 in 2015 (according to FIVB federation anyways) unless Rosado wasn't a starter... but I think she was Wasn't Rosado and Santana already being recruited by Hebert before Hugh even got here? My understanding is yes, but it was Bush that really recruited them. She wouldn't be looking for a job, would she LOL. |
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 28, 2021 15:26:29 GMT -5
The problem with international recruits are two fold. One is getting them accepted and in the country - there's a whole lot that can go wrong there. The second is they are not better than US recruits. Very few are good enough to start on a top 10 team and if they are they may just choose to play professionally at home. We had just one, Ari, and she was not a starter until her super senior year. That could very well happen to the Canadian setter, Chloe Ng. Most situations with a lot of international players, like Rutgers, is because they can't get the top USA players. Wisconsin having two starting is a rarity. I don't know of any final 4 teams that had two internationals starting before. "The second is they are not better than US recruits."
Yet, we know that a lot of these countries' national teams compete with and even beat the US national team. So it's not like they don't have the high end talent coming up in those countries.
Just a matter of if those top players in those countries then want to leave to play college in the US. If you're saying they don't, fine. I don't know how often it is the situation, vs wanting to stay home for college or pro.
Georgia Tech has those two Brazilians? Or one is Irish-Brazilian, or something.
Yes, that was part of what I said. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 28, 2021 15:26:37 GMT -5
Minnesota had 2 in 2015 (according to FIVB federation anyways) unless Rosado wasn't a starter... but I think she was Wasn't Rosado and Santana already being recruited by Hebert before Hugh even got here? I have no idea lol I was just mentioning them as two prominent internationals in the final four. I think there will be more internationals at top programs in the coming years... so many of these athletes are seeing what benefits the NCAA can bring to them. Smrek, Orzol, and Bergmann are all top prospects from their federations. We're seen many top programs interested in foreign players now... I think its only a matter of time before they come. |
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Post by ugopher on Dec 28, 2021 15:26:41 GMT -5
Again, Hugh emphasizes a lot on 6R players and the setting. Oddly enough that is not what won Wisconsin the Championship nor what almost won Nebraska the Natty. I have had this conversation with a couple others. Does having a number of 6R players work in college? Or,is it better in the college game to have specialists - DS, OHs who only play front row, etc. |
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 28, 2021 15:31:13 GMT -5
Again, Hugh emphasizes a lot on 6R players and the setting. Oddly enough that is not what won Wisconsin the Championship nor what almost won Nebraska the Natty. I have had this conversation with a couple others. Does having a number of 6R players work in college? Or,is it better in the college game to have specialists - DS, OHs who only play front row, etc. I think we may see two DS's this year as we transition to a new RS hitter and a new LS hitter. At least part of the time a DS could be used to reduce the load on the new starters. I hope that Gray is ready to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:37:07 GMT -5
"The second is they are not better than US recruits."
Yet, we know that a lot of these countries' national teams compete with and even beat the US national team. So it's not like they don't have the high end talent coming up in those countries.
Just a matter of if those top players in those countries then want to leave to play college in the US. If you're saying they don't, fine. I don't know how often it is the situation, vs wanting to stay home for college or pro.
Georgia Tech has those two Brazilians? Or one is Irish-Brazilian, or something.
Yes, that was part of what I said. So you're saying that the fact that Chole Ng wants to come to play American college volleyball instead of staying in Canada to play college or go pro, is evidence that she isn't the level of player coming up in Canada that will make their national team?
Or is this another exception to your rule?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:39:37 GMT -5
Just to restate what should be a correct, hypothetical thing:
if the top high-school aged volleyball athletes in the top volleyball countries, all decided for some reason that they wanted to come to the US to play in our college system, they would be just as competitive as the American players.
That must be true, if their national teams are competitive with ours (which we know is true).
So the hypothesis is that, for whatever reasons they largely are not choosing to do that. Or the top American college coaches can't go out and convince them to do that.
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(according to FIVB federation anyways)
