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Post by tomclen on Dec 17, 2021 14:33:54 GMT -5
"Ohhhhh," say the experts, "It's hard to beat the same team three times in the same season." Is it? Wisconsin has already defeated Nebraska twice this season. At home and away, and won 6 of 7 sets. But both matches were closer than the 3-0, 3-1 scores may appear...   Nebraska has already taken out the 3-seed and the 2-seed (on their home court). And some would suggest that Nebraska is playing better than they were when the two teams met before. Wisconsin just knocked off the 1-seed. Is the "beat a team 3 times in a season is hard" trope just a myth? Does it matter at all in this match? Or has Wisconsin shown they have no trouble with Nebraska? BONUS QUESTION: Who would have the better shot at openin' up a can o' whoop-ass on Bucky Badger, Lil' Red or Herbie Husker? |
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Post by knapplc on Dec 17, 2021 14:35:58 GMT -5
Corn.
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Post by staticb on Dec 17, 2021 14:36:31 GMT -5
You can google it, it’s a myth. Statisticians have run the numbers in the NFL and NCAA ball tourney.
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Post by robtearle on Dec 17, 2021 14:41:27 GMT -5
Beating a team three times in a season IS tough. But two-thirds of what makes it tough is winning the first two times.
Wisconsin doesn't have to beat Nebraska three times tomorrow, they only have to beat them once more. That is a VERY different thing.
(Yes, there's a human element to volleyball that is not present in coin-flipping, but the point is quite similar...)
Flipping a coin three times and getting heads all three times is fairly unlikely. But once you have gotten heads twice, the odds of getting heads the third time are 50-50. That's because you're no longer trying to get heads three times, you're only trying to get it once more.
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Post by 808empath on Dec 17, 2021 14:45:40 GMT -5
I think it's possible.
During the men's abbreviated 2021 season. The Hawaii Men's team beat UCSB 3x in back to back to back matches & then beat them in the NCAA Championship tournament. They also beat UCI 3xs and then UCSD 4xs in regular season and then Hawaii's lone loss was from UCSD in the Big West Tournament.
I know men's volleyball is different than women's but I say it's possible.
With that said.
GO BADGERS!!
From a Hawai'i fan. 🌈💕
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Post by reader on Dec 17, 2021 14:48:23 GMT -5
Truth or no, the Badgers don't seem to believe it: last weekend they beat MN for the third time this season.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 17, 2021 14:51:16 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2021 15:17:26 GMT -5
Not sure any of this is relevant, but I believe these are all of the title games involving teams playing for a third time where one team won the first 2 matches:
Penn State in 2013 beat Wisconsin 3-0 and 3-0 in the regular season, won 3-1 in the title game.
Penn State in 1997 beat Stanford 3-0 and 3-1 early in the season, went on to lose 3-2 to the Card in the title game.
UCLA in 1992 beat Stanford 3-2 and 3-0 in the regular season, lost to Stanford 3-1 in the title game.
Hawaii in 1983 beat UCLA 3-2 and 3-2 in the regular season, won 3-0 in the title game.
So 2-2 historically, meaning it doesn't matter much who won the first 2 matches.
Bonus:
UCLA in 1981 beat USC 3-0, 3-1, and 3-2 in the regular season, went on to lose 3-2 in the title game.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Dec 17, 2021 15:20:50 GMT -5
Cheese.
Ummmmmmmmm...Wisconsin beat Nebraska 3 times in 2019, once in the Regional Final. |
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Post by stanfankev on Dec 17, 2021 15:24:18 GMT -5
Not sure any of this is relevant, but I believe these are all of the title games involving teams playing for a third time where one team won the first 2 matches: Penn State in 2013 beat Wisconsin 3-0 and 3-0 in the regular season, won 3-1 in the title game. Penn State in 1997 beat Stanford 3-0 and 3-1 early in the season, went on to lose 3-2 to the Card in the title game. UCLA in 1992 beat Stanford 3-2 and 3-0 in the regular season, lost to Stanford 3-1 in the title game. Hawaii in 1983 beat UCLA 3-2 and 3-2 in the regular season, won 3-0 in the title game. So 2-2 historically, meaning it doesn't matter much who won the first 2 matches. Bonus: UCLA in 1981 beat USC 3-0, 3-1, and 3-2 in the regular season, went on to lose 3-2 in the title game. So what you're saying is it can be done, but not against Stanford. Especially in the title game.   |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 17, 2021 15:25:26 GMT -5
Cheese.
Ummmmmmmmm...Wisconsin beat Nebraska 3 times in 2019, once in the Regional Final. Way back in December of 2021, Wisconsin beat Minnesota a third time, also in a regional final. Last Saturday, in fact. |
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2021 15:25:54 GMT -5
Not sure any of this is relevant, but I believe these are all of the title games involving teams playing for a third time where one team won the first 2 matches: Penn State in 2013 beat Wisconsin 3-0 and 3-0 in the regular season, won 3-1 in the title game. Penn State in 1997 beat Stanford 3-0 and 3-1 early in the season, went on to lose 3-2 to the Card in the title game. UCLA in 1992 beat Stanford 3-2 and 3-0 in the regular season, lost to Stanford 3-1 in the title game. Hawaii in 1983 beat UCLA 3-2 and 3-2 in the regular season, won 3-0 in the title game. So 2-2 historically, meaning it doesn't matter much who won the first 2 matches. Bonus: UCLA in 1981 beat USC 3-0, 3-1, and 3-2 in the regular season, went on to lose 3-2 in the title game. So what you're saying is it can be done, but not against Stanford. Especially in the title game. When you're going up against Bev Oden or Kristin Folkl in their senior year, probably not. |
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Post by doublecontact on Dec 17, 2021 15:26:38 GMT -5
I just want to see Smrek
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 17, 2021 15:28:01 GMT -5
Myth
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Post by braque on Dec 17, 2021 16:50:54 GMT -5
Beating a team three times in a season IS tough. But two-thirds of what makes it tough is winning the first two times. Wisconsin doesn't have to beat Nebraska three times tomorrow, they only have to beat them once more. That is a VERY different thing. (Yes, there's a human element to volleyball that is not present in coin-flipping, but the point is quite similar...) Flipping a coin three times and getting heads all three times is fairly unlikely. But once you have gotten heads twice, the odds of getting heads the third time are 50-50. That's because you're no longer trying to get heads three times, you're only trying to get it once more. That is an oddly logical, sensible, and rational post to appear on this forum. It is also 100 percent correct. Re the coin example, to argue against this proposition is to believe that the coin somehow has the ability to think, "hey, I've come up heads twice in a row, I need to exert some extra flipping energy this time to make sure I come up tails." |
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