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Post by buckypete on Sept 4, 2022 16:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by savannahbadger on Sept 4, 2022 18:11:42 GMT -5
Despite a rough match against Marquette, Franklin is at 4.13 kills per set.
Despite having never served until the last few weeks, GG is second in aces with 6, just behind Izzy’s 7.
#randomstats
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Post by Badger Alum on Sept 4, 2022 21:27:36 GMT -5
Scoring by setter by set: Izzy - 12-10, 14-11, 13-11, 10-8; total 49-40 MJ - 13-9, 9-14, 12-10, 15-13; total 49-46 (I hope I did it right, I'm getting tired) Also worth noting that they swapped the opposites last night. That is to say, who was on the court with who. Last weekend Smrek and Izzy were always on the court together, while MJ was on with Devyn and then Demps. Last night, it was Smrek and MJ always on the floor together, and Izzy with Devyn and then Demps in the 4th set. I don't know if that messes up these comparisons one weekend to the next, or "strengthens" it that Izzy seems to be "winning", albeit slightly", regardless of who she is opposite. The guy I was sitting next to last night - new seats, new people - said he has seen attack percentages by setter from last weekend, and Izzy's were better. I don't really know who he is or where he saw them, etc., so FWIW. I don't have access to the stats, but I've been watching vball for 40 years. Right now, Izzy is the better setter. Doesn't mean it can't change, but right now Izzy is better.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 4, 2022 22:07:23 GMT -5
So, what happens if the badgers get into one of these tight 30 point deuce sets and they begin running out of subs?
Do they switch to a 5-1 with everyone playing around except the middles? What’s the personnel in that situation? Ashburn at setter? Demps at RS perhaps? Or are they just going to go with what lineup is on the court when they run out?
Will be interesting to see if that comes up. Running up against the sun limit usually happens at one point. They must be thinking about it.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 4, 2022 22:56:32 GMT -5
So, what happens if the badgers get into one of these tight 30 point deuce sets and they begin running out of subs? Do they switch to a 5-1 with everyone playing around except the middles? What’s the personnel in that situation? Ashburn at setter? Demps at RS perhaps? Or are they just going to go with what lineup is on the court when they run out? Will be interesting to see if that comes up. Running up against the sun limit usually happens at one point. They must be thinking about it. At present, without Bramschreiber available, they aren't (usually) subbing either of their left side hitters. And that means they are only using four subs per six position rotation. If a set went as 'badly' as possible - trading sideout, back and forth on every single serve - they would get to 14 subs used at 21-21 (or 21-20, etc). And no set ever goes *that* badly in terms of sideout trading. It would take an unusual level of back-and-forth and "30 points", as you say, to even get close/there. The thing they would have going for them is that the 15th sub could get them a 'better' option at six-rotation opposite. Let's say Izzy and Devyn have been opposite one another, and Izzy was the first server. Subs #13 and #14 would then be Izzy and Devyn going off, MJ and Smrek coming on. (I hope I'm getting that right, doing it in my head!) You could play Smrek across the front for the last three 'normal' sideouts/rotations, then leave MJ on and rotating to the front, but use the 15th sub to get Smrek off and bring on Demps or Wrobel or Gregorski, etc; whoever you choose to be the 'forever' opposite. Once Bramschreiber is available and they start subbing Franklin (I'll assume) the whole thing changes, and running out really becomes something to worry about. But Sheffield has been using six subs per rotation for the last three year, at least. So in that respect, nothing new. (I've gotten myself into the habit of noting who the first server was, and then being aware when that person came to the line the third time, because at that point, you're at 12 subs used - assuming six per rotation, etc - , and it's time to start worrying about it. This weekend, even though I knew it was only four subs per rotation, I was still noting the first server, etc. A habit I'll try to not fall out of!)
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 5, 2022 3:14:47 GMT -5
... Once Bramschreiber is available and they start subbing Franklin (I'll assume) the whole thing changes, and running out really becomes something to worry about. But Sheffield has been using six subs per rotation for the last three year, at least. So in that respect, nothing new. ... UW regularly ran out of subs in those years. Competitive sets almost always have the first server serve 3 times, and almost never 4 times unless you go well past 25. If you're subbing 6 per rotation then you're running out in the middle of the third rotation, right in the middle of the most crucial points. Last year that meant Rettke serving and Loberg playing back row, and eventually Demps playing front row, which was a small loss but nothing too bad. This year it would mean suddenly playing new serve receive formations and a front row setter that you never play with anymore in those crucial points. I feel like that's a more serious consequence. That being said, Nebraska seems to currently be running a 6-2 with six subs per rotation.
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Post by pull3 on Sept 5, 2022 3:41:44 GMT -5
... Once Bramschreiber is available and they start subbing Franklin (I'll assume) the whole thing changes, and running out really becomes something to worry about. But Sheffield has been using six subs per rotation for the last three year, at least. So in that respect, nothing new. ... UW regularly ran out of subs in those years. Competitive sets almost always have the first server serve 3 times, and almost never 4 times unless you go well past 25. If you're subbing 6 per rotation then you're running out in the middle of the third rotation, right in the middle of the most crucial points. Last year that meant Rettke serving and Loberg playing back row, and eventually Demps playing front row, which was a small loss but nothing too bad. This year it would mean suddenly playing new serve receive formations and a front row setter that you never play with anymore in those crucial points. I feel like that's a more serious consequence. That being said, Nebraska seems to currently be running a 6-2 with six subs per rotation.
I think Franklin, Ozol, Demps, Gulce, CC, and a setter can all do six rotation.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 5, 2022 3:57:44 GMT -5
UW regularly ran out of subs in those years. Competitive sets almost always have the first server serve 3 times, and almost never 4 times unless you go well past 25. If you're subbing 6 per rotation then you're running out in the middle of the third rotation, right in the middle of the most crucial points. Last year that meant Rettke serving and Loberg playing back row, and eventually Demps playing front row, which was a small loss but nothing too bad. This year it would mean suddenly playing new serve receive formations and a front row setter that you never play with anymore in those crucial points. I feel like that's a more serious consequence. That being said, Nebraska seems to currently be running a 6-2 with six subs per rotation.
I think Franklin, Ozol, Demps, Gulce, CC, and a setter can all do six rotation.
Whether you've run out of subs or not, middles and the libero can still sub out for one another; there would be no reason to have CC play six rotations, it would actually be against the rules for Gulce to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 8:17:35 GMT -5
After 2 weeks of play the best performers to this point in my estimation are...
1. Devyn Robinson 2. Julia Orzol 3. Izzy Ashburn 4. Danielle Hart 5. Jade Demps 6. Caroline Crawford
Gülce's serving has been a revelation but she had an uneven first weekend but did show more range against Marquette. She will only get better and by mid season I think will be a weekly shining star.
MJ goes as the passing goes. It looks like Izzy can set better than MJ on the move.
Franklin came in with a lot of hype. For the most part she has played well but had two poor sets against Marquette, ultimately getting subbed. It will be interesting how Franklin, Gülce and co. in the back row hold up to elite attacking teams that lie in wait on the schedule.
Smrek- Pretty much a struggle adjusting with how she is being deployed thusfar.
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Post by wiscvball on Sept 5, 2022 9:02:44 GMT -5
After 2 weeks of play the best performers to this point in my estimation are... 1. Devyn Robinson 2. Julia Orzol 3. Izzy Ashburn 4. Danielle Hart 5. Jade Demps 6. Caroline Crawford Gülce's serving has been a revelation but she had an uneven first weekend but did show more range against Marquette. She will only get better and by mid season I think will be a weekly shining star. MJ goes as the passing goes. It looks like Izzy can set better than MJ on the move. Franklin came in with a lot of hype. For the most part she has played well but had two poor sets against Marquette, ultimately getting subbed. It will be interesting how Franklin, Gülce and co. in the back row hold up to elite attacking teams that lie in wait on the schedule. Smrek- Pretty much a struggle adjusting with how she is being deployed thusfar. I’ll agree to disagree here. Hart has 8 (?) kills and hitting under .200%. She’ll be great, but having her and not Franklin is odd to me. Franklin is hitting .333% with over 4 kills and 2 digs a set. If the badgers stay top 10 and she ended with anything near those stats, she’s a 1st or 2nd team AA. I think this team will live/die by how Franklin, Orzol, Robinson are doing. Those three can carry a lot of the load. I would love to see some adjustments to make Smrek more impactful. She’s a weapon that almost no other teams can put on the court. She’s just getting the wrong sets for what she’s strong at.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 9:29:43 GMT -5
After 2 weeks of play the best performers to this point in my estimation are... 1. Devyn Robinson 2. Julia Orzol 3. Izzy Ashburn 4. Danielle Hart 5. Jade Demps 6. Caroline Crawford Gülce's serving has been a revelation but she had an uneven first weekend but did show more range against Marquette. She will only get better and by mid season I think will be a weekly shining star. MJ goes as the passing goes. It looks like Izzy can set better than MJ on the move. Franklin came in with a lot of hype. For the most part she has played well but had two poor sets against Marquette, ultimately getting subbed. It will be interesting how Franklin, Gülce and co. in the back row hold up to elite attacking teams that lie in wait on the schedule. Smrek- Pretty much a struggle adjusting with how she is being deployed thusfar. I’ll agree to disagree here. Hart has 8 (?) kills and hitting under .200%. She’ll be great, but having her and not Franklin is odd to me. Franklin is hitting .333% with over 4 kills and 2 digs a set. If the badgers stay top 10 and she ended with anything near those stats, she’s a 1st or 2nd team AA. I think this team will live/die by how Franklin, Orzol, Robinson are doing. Those three can carry a lot of the load. I would love to see some adjustments to make Smrek more impactful. She’s a weapon that almost no other teams can put on the court. She’s just getting the wrong sets for what she’s strong at. I took into account Hart coming off injury and the ridiculous hype Franklin has been receiving from everyone but Emily Ehman. Also Hart doesn't play backrow so its hard to compare them straight up. Franklin has had many more attempts which has helped her build rapport with the setters. Hart hasn't been afforded that opportunity.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 5, 2022 9:33:33 GMT -5
I’ll agree to disagree here. Hart has 8 (?) kills and hitting under .200%. She’ll be great, but having her and not Franklin is odd to me. Franklin is hitting .333% with over 4 kills and 2 digs a set. If the badgers stay top 10 and she ended with anything near those stats, she’s a 1st or 2nd team AA. I think this team will live/die by how Franklin, Orzol, Robinson are doing. Those three can carry a lot of the load. I would love to see some adjustments to make Smrek more impactful. She’s a weapon that almost no other teams can put on the court. She’s just getting the wrong sets for what she’s strong at. I took into account Hart coming off injury and the ridiculous hype Franklin has been receiving from everyone but Emily Ehman. Also Hart doesn't play backrow so its hard to compare them straight up. Franklin has had many more attempts which has helped her build repoirte with the setters. Hart hasn't been afforded that opportunity. What "hype" Franklin has gotten should have nothing to do with an on-court evaluation of performance.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 5, 2022 10:14:31 GMT -5
I don’t like to rank players, since the team is such a moving target with a lot of evolving interacting pieces. Here are my take seats from the weekend.
I was glad the team found a way to win against a good team when Franklin was having a bad match. That ability to turn a match around that really felt like it had been slipping away is a very good sign. It had PSU 2019 vibes. Great for belief. You can also see how personnel can be changed to get new looks or freshen up the side mid match. Really liked that Franklin then came back in and did well.
I was also watching how the back row was much better organized against High Point. GG is getting her feet under her and players are beginning to understand their roles. You could see and hear people taking responsibility. To beat the badgers, teams will try to pressure the passing - without the ability to bring in a Boyer or Bramschreiber to steady the ship, the badgers are fragile there. Clarity is important.
I liked the new looks we were seeing on offense, like the double quick combo in front of the left side go. Impossible to defend. Ashburn’s being able to feed Robinson on the RS pin from the 10’ line at a right angle. The emphasis on developing a back row attack with Franklin, Orzol, and finally Demps. That all leave a lot of options even in a subpar pass.
It had not occurred to me how dependent the badgers will be on non-setters until I saw Marquette systematically target Ashburn and Hammill in attack. Didn’t realize CC would contribute so much on that front. I think the badgers, and especially GG got better at that as the weekend wore on. She got a lot more comfortable.
Ashburn is the better setter right now - more comfortable, working tougher sets behind better, more mobile, sharper D. She starts sets for a reason besides her serve. Hammill improved over the weekend though. She started to exhibit some on court leadership. I actually think she connects better with Franklin. It will be interesting to watch her development.
I think we’re stuck with the 6-2, and I think Sheff is right, that’s where the real ceiling of the team is. The worry I have is the OOS setting and hitting. Franklin is comfortable enough, Orzol has experience. Robinson is managing those situations better this year. Demps managed well. Smrek has problems. We’ll have to see when the competition ramps up in the coming weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 10:19:29 GMT -5
I took into account Hart coming off injury and the ridiculous hype Franklin has been receiving from everyone but Emily Ehman. Also Hart doesn't play backrow so its hard to compare them straight up. Franklin has had many more attempts which has helped her build repoirte with the setters. Hart hasn't been afforded that opportunity. What "hype" Franklin has gotten should have nothing to do with an on-court evaluation of performance. Hype or not Franklin has been up and down. But her highs can be eye catching. Jade on the other hand hasn't had a hitting error yet. She also helped turn the Marquette game around. That is IMPRESSIVE. This list is who in my mind have been most impressive overall through two weeks and I DO include expectations and coming off of injury as considerations. Also, I don't really put to much stock into the High Point game stats. They were playing the 3rd of FOUR games in only 3 days.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 5, 2022 10:21:48 GMT -5
I will say that Franklin has been very good except for those first three sets against Marquette. She put an absolute clinic on against HP. Her overall attack numbers don’t lie. Her passing is getting better. I’d forgotten how big she plays. It’s good the badgers have options when she isn’t on firm, but she is critical piece of a successful run.
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