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Post by d3coach on Jan 8, 2022 17:56:55 GMT -5
Best recruiter in the world vs best Xs and Os coach in the world. Who wins? I’d go with the best recruiter because X’s and O’s Is a small fraction of coaching and recruiting is a huge piece of team building. Plus if you get talented players that are mentally tough and great teammates that fit your scheme, thats a whole lot more important than being better at X’s and O’s big picture.
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Post by notwvb on Jan 8, 2022 18:03:00 GMT -5
Key factors IMO: 1) Most D1 college coaches are well above average ... Maybe so but they can't also be good looking and strong.
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Post by ned3vball on Jan 8, 2022 18:16:09 GMT -5
This is a D1 board, but this is a more interesting question if you consider the D3 perspective. The 6' 7" players are gone. The D3 coaches are picking from a much more even pool of players. So the coaching and proper team building, as a percentage, feels the bigger factor.
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Post by n00b on Jan 8, 2022 18:16:25 GMT -5
recruiting is the lifeblood for any collegiate program. But it is not always about who gets the top recruits. It is more about who gets the rights athletes that fit best into their culture/system. Recruit the wrong kid - either mis-evaluate the talent or not a good fit for your team - and you make a coaches job more difficult that it al ready is. Recruiting is key I also agree with something mentioned earlier -- I can teach/coach passing, blocking, hitting, etc.... I can not teach 6'2 or 6'7.... Although it's a bit of a chicken or the egg question. If somebody wants to play professionally, they're going to want a coach who they believe can train them. If they want to win a national championship, they want a coach that knows the Xs and Os. And if they want to be happy in college, they want to go somewhere with a good culture and happy athletes. It's REALLY tough to be a good recruiter without those other pieces. I can think of one Big Ten coach who is great at building hype and recruiting to a new program. But after a couple years, the other things overcome their ability to sell and recruit.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 8, 2022 18:35:02 GMT -5
Let's not forget that the school itself recruits students as well. Some schools based on either academic reputation or sometimes even laxer standards, majors offered, reputation as a party school, money available in the school or expensiveness and/or favorable location (weather, big city, cool opportunities) are pretty much always going to bring in the athletes (regardless).
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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 8, 2022 18:37:58 GMT -5
recruiting is the lifeblood for any collegiate program. But it is not always about who gets the top recruits. It is more about who gets the rights athletes that fit best into their culture/system. Recruit the wrong kid - either mis-evaluate the talent or not a good fit for your team - and you make a coaches job more difficult that it al ready is. Recruiting is key I also agree with something mentioned earlier -- I can teach/coach passing, blocking, hitting, etc.... I can not teach 6'2 or 6'7.... Although it's a bit of a chicken or the egg question. If somebody wants to play professionally, they're going to want a coach who they believe can train them. If they want to win a national championship, they want a coach that knows the Xs and Os. And if they want to be happy in college, they want to go somewhere with a good culture and happy athletes. It's REALLY tough to be a good recruiter without those other pieces. I can think of one Big Ten coach who is great at building hype and recruiting to a new program. But after a couple years, the other things overcome their ability to sell and recruit. Parallel to your good point on coaches over-selling, I believe Mick Haley said one problem today is so many players have been chased and puffed up with praise that when a coach says you have to get better at this, they sour on the coach and want to go somewhere and be praised. I think keeping your kids sold on your "culture" has become one of the critical coach skills.
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Post by d3coach on Jan 8, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5
This is a D1 board, but this is a more interesting question if you consider the D3 perspective. The 6' 7" players are gone. The D3 coaches are picking from a much more even pool of players. So the coaching and proper team building, as a percentage, feels the bigger factor. To a certain degree. No, D3 programs aren’t getting 6’7 kids, but the programs getting multiple hitters each year who touch 9’9+ And have skill dominate. They may not be quite as athletic, or quite as tall, but most of them are gobbled up by small D1 and D2’s so whoever gets the best of the rest tends to do really really well. It’s not like these top 25 programs are grabbing dime a dozen players and just coaching them up.
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Post by hapaguy on Jan 8, 2022 23:21:36 GMT -5
How much does coaching come into the equation for winning it all? I'd say that most years, recruiting gets you to the dance, coaching gets you the trophy. Completely agree. Local Hawaii football coach and legend Don “Spud” Botelho once said: "nobody ever rode a donkey to the winners circle of the Kentucky Derby". IMHO that's true but you need good coaching to win it all....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 23:22:51 GMT -5
D1/Power 5 coaches aren't necessarily above average as coaches. They've been given opportunities at that level and have massive budgets to do it with. A Big 10 volleyball team's budget is 100x bigger than a small school like Maryland-Eastern Shore. Of course they will win more and appear to be "better". Give me a Porsche 911 and no racing experience and I'll beat a pro driver in a Chevy Volt every day on a track. Am I a better driver? Nope, I've just been handed far better resources.
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Post by n00b on Jan 8, 2022 23:27:39 GMT -5
D1/Power 5 coaches aren't necessarily above average as coaches. They've been given opportunities at that level and have massive budgets to do it with. A Big 10 volleyball team's budget is 100x bigger than a small school like Maryland-Eastern Shore. Of course they will win more and appear to be "better". Give me a Porsche 911 and no racing experience and I'll beat a pro driver in a Chevy Volt every day on a track. Am I a better driver? Nope, I've just been handed far better resources. Bold take. The conference that UMES is in (the MEAC) is currently being dominated by coaches who got fired from Jacksonville, Elon and Towson for not winning enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 8:08:09 GMT -5
D1/Power 5 coaches aren't necessarily above average as coaches. They've been given opportunities at that level and have massive budgets to do it with. A Big 10 volleyball team's budget is 100x bigger than a small school like Maryland-Eastern Shore. Of course they will win more and appear to be "better". Give me a Porsche 911 and no racing experience and I'll beat a pro driver in a Chevy Volt every day on a track. Am I a better driver? Nope, I've just been handed far better resources. Bold take. The conference that UMES is in (the MEAC) is currently being dominated by coaches who got fired from Jacksonville, Elon and Towson for not winning enough. UMES is the random obscure school that showed up on the ESPN ticker. I thought it was the school wherethe MBB team went on a 20 day roadtrip getting hammered by big schools so the athletic department could operate. Doesn't change the point that one school has unlimited resources and wins because of that. That D1 coach at UMES could be the equivalent of Karch Kiraly and she still isn't beating Stanford.
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Post by n00b on Jan 9, 2022 8:26:23 GMT -5
Bold take. The conference that UMES is in (the MEAC) is currently being dominated by coaches who got fired from Jacksonville, Elon and Towson for not winning enough. UMES is the random obscure school that showed up on the ESPN ticker. I thought it was the school wherethe MBB team went on a 20 day roadtrip getting hammered by big schools so the athletic department could operate. Doesn't change the point that one school has unlimited resources and wins because of that. That D1 coach at UMES could be the equivalent of Karch Kiraly and she still isn't beating Stanford. Sure. But with a few exceptions, that coach will win the MEAC then move up to the CAA. Then they’ll win the CAA a few times again then move up again. Like I said, there are certainly SOME exceptions to that, but great coaches won’t stay there for long if they’re that good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 10:18:55 GMT -5
The school sells more than the coach. Maybe it’s past history, but I believe Texas recruits well if Sullivan is the coach. I believe Florida recruits very if Booze is the coach. I believe Wisconsin recruits if Dildine is the coach. Some places have advantages.
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Post by notwvb on Jan 9, 2022 10:50:34 GMT -5
The school sells more than the coach. Maybe it’s past history, but I believe Texas recruits well if Sullivan is the coach. I believe Florida recruits very if Booze is the coach. I believe Wisconsin recruits if Dildine is the coach. Some places have advantages. Booze is the only thing that could land me in Gainesville.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jan 9, 2022 11:26:45 GMT -5
The school sells more than the coach. Maybe it’s past history, but I believe Texas recruits well if Sullivan is the coach. I believe Florida recruits very if Booze is the coach. I believe Wisconsin recruits if Dildine is the coach. Some places have advantages. Booze is the only thing that could land me in Gainesville. The comment above made me respond about my visits to Gainesville. Prior to Covid I spent 5 winters in the Orlando area. During that time, I visited Gainesville twice. I enjoy going to colleges and college towns. My first visit to Gainesville was specifically to visit the UF campus and checkout Gainesville. While I was there I also planned to visit a Gainesville restaurant that was featured on televisions' "Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives". I also got a hair cut there. I liked the UF campus. (I usually like strolling around most major university campuses. I have visited several going to volleyball matches). My drive around downtown Gainesville was much less enjoyable. Lots of empty storefronts, and it just seemed a pretty bleak place to live. My chat with the black hair-stylist as she cut my hair confirmed my opinion. She was from the South, and did not have much good to say about living in Gainesville. The weather during the Florida winters draws a lot of residents and visitors to Florida. I also spent one June and July in Florida. Not pleasant weather-wise at all.
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