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Post by eazy on Dec 22, 2021 15:31:16 GMT -5
Since no one else did it, I created a thread to get this conversation out of the jobs thread. yourmomwingspam@zenstudent
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 22, 2021 15:33:03 GMT -5
If it worked for South Alabama....
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Post by nevball17 on Dec 22, 2021 16:54:13 GMT -5
If it worked for South Alabama.... This is in poor taste and the first post on this thread. There have been problematic men in coaching forever. We don’t need to reference this especially after the incredible success of female coaches this season.
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Post by ned3vball on Dec 22, 2021 17:51:04 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach? I think the answer is yes. All things being equal will a female player relate better to a female coach? Likely. Are you going to find a coach who will be successful with your program if you only consider females? Sure. I think you see it more at D3 but a lot of schools think a female coach is a better option for the women's teams.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 22, 2021 17:56:51 GMT -5
If it worked for South Alabama.... This is in poor taste and the first post on this thread. There have been problematic men in coaching forever. We don’t need to reference this especially after the incredible success of female coaches this season. Oh I know, we got the best one. No bias, of course.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 22, 2021 17:57:21 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach? I think the answer is yes. All things being equal will a female player relate better to a female coach? Likely. Are you going to find a coach who will be successful with your program if you only consider females? Sure. I think you see it more at D3 but a lot of schools think a female coach is a better option for the women's teams. Legally? Absolutely not.* Internally? Absolutely. F*ck it up! * I am an HR professional.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 22, 2021 18:00:51 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach? I think the answer is yes. All things being equal will a female player relate better to a female coach? Likely. Are you going to find a coach who will be successful with your program if you only consider females? Sure. I think you see it more at D3 but a lot of schools think a female coach is a better option for the women's teams. It's like anything else - it really depends. Many women would enjoy the opportunity playing for a woman. Some others wouldn't. Still more wouldn't care. And while some might have their opinions categorically, I'd imagine for many it would depend on the specific woman, just as it would the specific man.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 22, 2021 18:13:25 GMT -5
It all depends on the player, just like relating to your supervisor. Somebody might relate better to someone that looks like them. Sometimes not. Not a universal answer. I think the key is that the total coaching staff has to have diversity of genders and races as much as you can.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 18:17:41 GMT -5
It all depends on the player, just like relating to your supervisor. Somebody might relate better to someone that looks like them. Sometimes not. Not a universal answer. I think the key is that the total coaching staff has to have diversity of genders and races as much as you can. Which is why I hate 'we need more women' from some people. I don't see them EVER mentioning the total number of black male head coaches in volleyball. Does the count still end at "Ray Gooden"?
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Dec 22, 2021 18:23:39 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach?
I say no. I want the best coach possible hired. Male/Female/Other doesn't come into play. Just don't try to do "floor hugs" with my daughter and I'm good.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 22, 2021 20:22:03 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach?
I say no. I want the best coach possible hired. Male/Female/Other doesn't come into play. Just don't try to do "floor hugs" with my daughter and I'm good. here's your answer: is it ok to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a male coach? the answer to both is the same
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2021 20:25:46 GMT -5
The answer like in any job opportunity is the same as anywhere, the best candidate. Race and sex shouldn’t matter at all. Now I guess one can argue to define “ best candidate” cause it could be different for different people
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 22, 2021 20:29:32 GMT -5
It all depends on the player, just like relating to your supervisor. Somebody might relate better to someone that looks like them. Sometimes not. Not a universal answer. I think the key is that the total coaching staff has to have diversity of genders and races as much as you can. Which is why I hate 'we need more women' from some people. I don't see them EVER mentioning the total number of black male head coaches in volleyball. Does the count still end at "Ray Gooden"? Honest question. Is there an actual pool of black male coaches as there is women?
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Post by eazy on Dec 22, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -5
Which is why I hate 'we need more women' from some people. I don't see them EVER mentioning the total number of black male head coaches in volleyball. Does the count still end at "Ray Gooden"? Honest question. Is there an actual pool of black male coaches as there is women? Yes. The bigger question is about the size of each pool.
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Post by eazy on Dec 22, 2021 20:48:37 GMT -5
I think this hypothetical sums up my opinion.. Let’s say you have 2 male coaches and they’re looking to hire a 3rd coach for the staff. If you have a male applicant that is a 10 and a female applicant that is a 10, you take the female to add diversity and different perspectives. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 9, you still probably go with the female. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 6, you go with the male. Similarly, if you have two females looking to hire a third, you take a male as the third IF all other things are close to equal. Diversity is a strength that should be used when the decision is tough to make. It should not be disqualifying, though. This is true of all qualities: gender, race, religion, temperament, etc. Also worth noting, 1-3 years of a staff lacking diversity is much different than 20-25 years. In any given year, there may just not be a good applicant that fits the diversity goal. If it becomes a pattern over a long stretch, that is a problem.
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