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Post by jackson5vb on Dec 23, 2021 21:32:09 GMT -5
Which is why I hate 'we need more women' from some people. I don't see them EVER mentioning the total number of black male head coaches in volleyball. Does the count still end at "Ray Gooden"? Kyle Robinson at Quinnipiac Ryan Adams at Lafayette Kevin Rogers at FDU resigned and was replaced on an interim basis by Karl France Nicki Holmes was given an opportunity at URI - I've heard very different stories about what happened there but they hired another person of color there. And I may be missing some, it's not an exhaustive list. Is it a lot? No, but it isn't one, would be my point. Those are East Coast names. Im wondering about the Midwest and South. AFAIK, there's no black males coaching on the west coast.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Dec 23, 2021 21:35:42 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with you on that, I do wonder how that applies. Could you expand please? I just think that women coaches deserve a level competitive field in the coaching market of women's sports in the same way that women athletes should have in those sports. I can appreciate that. I want to see more women coaches, but I don't want it to see it done in a forced way. We have some great examples of newer female Head Coaches that are improving and elevating the schools they are at and some that didn't go as well *cough IOWA cough*
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 23, 2021 21:36:25 GMT -5
Until there is more sharing of child rearing duties there is going to be fewer women in the coaching ranks. At the end of the day it still is more acceptable for a woman to give up a career for her husband's and take on chil care duties than the other way around.
It would be nearly impossible to be a good parent "in season" with the demands of coaching, and as a result those responsibilities fall on the spouse. That is not a knock, it is just reality. it's not like you can go to a PTA meeting during the post season.
Tough gig for everyone.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 23, 2021 21:38:26 GMT -5
There is an excellent clip from a few years ago of Mary Wise speaking about the resources she was given at Florida as a mother coaching and elite program. It's worth a look.
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 24, 2021 13:40:07 GMT -5
There is an excellent clip from a few years ago of Mary Wise speaking about the resources she was given at Florida as a mother coaching and elite program. It's worth a look. Her husband is a big part too.
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 4, 2022 15:21:46 GMT -5
When the dust settles, will we have more women HCs this year?
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 4, 2022 16:08:19 GMT -5
As a player you do not really care if it is a male coach or a female coach. An Olympic gold medalist coach or recreational player turned coach. Your only concern about that coach is whether he or she is going to make you a better volleyball player. And if they can the player will love you for it, no matter your race, sex or credentials. As an administrator your job is to find that person who will make those players better. It is not an easy process but one that should always be taken into consideration when making a hire. Maybe for you, and that's certainly some recruits but if you talk to enough young players you'll understand that there are a lot of reasons for a preference. - Women are too emotional/Men are creepy - I want someone who can play with us/ I don't want some old hack thinking they can play with us. - I want someone who understands being a student athlete/I don't want someone who thinks they understand me. Most of it comes from what they know or think they know and they want the same or something as different as possible.
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Post by Sooners1822 on Jan 4, 2022 16:17:51 GMT -5
When the dust settles, will we have more women HCs this year? Will be interesting to see. From what's updated on the jobs thread first page, 10 openings filled by women for D1 HC, and 6 men
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Post by n00b on Jan 4, 2022 16:34:56 GMT -5
When the dust settles, will we have more women HCs this year? Will be interesting to see. From what's updated on the jobs thread first page, 10 openings filled by women for D1 HC, and 6 men In a relative sense: Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU So the current stats: if replacing a female, there is a 70% chance of hiring another female. If replacing a male, it’s 50%.
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Post by karellen on Jan 4, 2022 16:35:32 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach? I think the answer is yes. All things being equal will a female player relate better to a female coach? Likely. Are you going to find a coach who will be successful with your program if you only consider females? Sure. I think you see it more at D3 but a lot of schools think a female coach is a better option for the women's teams. Did not read all the posts-- forgive me if repetitive Legally, school can not say "we are going to hire a woman" just like they can't say "we will hire someone younger than 45 years-old" That being said any employer (school, business, charity, etc...) has an ideal candidate in mind when they post a job. I think ALOT of schools want to hire women. As a male coach, I have no problem with that. Employers start with an ideal candidate in mind and then have to react to what the candidate pool is. Many schools may start wanting a woman as head coach, but I think men are still getting the majority of the jobs because most candidate pools are overwhelmingly male. Very rarely do you see a female hire that was obviously a female hire for the sake of having a female hire. In my almost 20 years involved with game collegiately, I can only think of 3 - 4 where it was obvious the school was going to hire a woman - period - regardless of candidate pool. Most recently, Macalester (DIII, MN), burned through female candidates only, and AD even called around looking for female candidates. Zero men got a look. but that is the rarity. There will be those on here that disagree with what I have said. But I think there is a difference between hiring a female regardless of qualifications, or lack there of (rarely happens), and hiring a female who is qualified for the position, but has a shorter resume than others. Being "less" qualified (in the eyes of outsiders like us) is different than being "not" qualified as some will whine about when they , or their best coaching friend, gets past over in favor of someone with a shorter resume. While I will agree it can be helpful to be female when relating to players, I think it really boils down to how well you communicate with players. I have seen male coaches who relate better to their players than female coaches. As a male coach, I try to have a female asst on staff, but if the male candidates are much better qualified, I am not going to hire a female for sake of hiring one. All things being equal, or at least close, I will hire a female.
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 4, 2022 16:40:55 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see. From what's updated on the jobs thread first page, 10 openings filled by women for D1 HC, and 6 men In a relative sense: Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU So the current stats: if replacing a female, there is a 70% chance of hiring another female. If replacing a male, it’s 50%. What did Twain/Disraeli/Balfour say about statistics? One could also say that 62.5% of fired coaches were women. Or that all of the higher-profile jobs were women being replaced by men.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 4, 2022 16:57:53 GMT -5
I remember every time I had to hire an assistant (DI women), 70-80% of the applicant pool was men. Because it was my only paid assistant position and I'm a man, I always wanted to hire a woman. Made it pretty tough!
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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 5, 2022 13:26:50 GMT -5
I think this hypothetical sums up my opinion.. Let’s say you have 2 male coaches and they’re looking to hire a 3rd coach for the staff. If you have a male applicant that is a 10 and a female applicant that is a 10, you take the female to add diversity and different perspectives. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 9, you still probably go with the female. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 6, you go with the male. Similarly, if you have two females looking to hire a third, you take a male as the third IF all other things are close to equal. Diversity is a strength that should be used when the decision is tough to make. It should not be disqualifying, though. This is true of all qualities: gender, race, religion, temperament, etc. Also worth noting, 1-3 years of a staff lacking diversity is much different than 20-25 years. In any given year, there may just not be a good applicant that fits the diversity goal. If it becomes a pattern over a long stretch, that is a problem. One data point might be that I don't think a D1 school has won a national championship in the last twenty years without a paid female coach on the staff. Diversity of staff may affect management of the program and performance.
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Post by eazy on Jan 5, 2022 13:33:51 GMT -5
I think this hypothetical sums up my opinion.. Let’s say you have 2 male coaches and they’re looking to hire a 3rd coach for the staff. If you have a male applicant that is a 10 and a female applicant that is a 10, you take the female to add diversity and different perspectives. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 9, you still probably go with the female. If you have a male that is a 10 and a female that is a 6, you go with the male. Similarly, if you have two females looking to hire a third, you take a male as the third IF all other things are close to equal. Diversity is a strength that should be used when the decision is tough to make. It should not be disqualifying, though. This is true of all qualities: gender, race, religion, temperament, etc. Also worth noting, 1-3 years of a staff lacking diversity is much different than 20-25 years. In any given year, there may just not be a good applicant that fits the diversity goal. If it becomes a pattern over a long stretch, that is a problem. One data point might be that I don't think a D1 school has won a national championship in the last twenty years without a paid female coach on the staff. Diversity of staff may affect management of the program and performance. I'm no expert on the history, but Nebraska was 1 set away from doing that very thing this year.. And the teams that have the ability to win a Natty probably also have the ability to pick their paid assistants from a massive pool of qualified candidates. The rest of the country has a much smaller (quality) talent pool to choose from.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 13, 2022 11:45:30 GMT -5
This list is getting to be fun to look at.
Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA
Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris
Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State
Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU
I may have missed some people. Feel free to add it. I find this stuff fascinating
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