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Post by Sooners1822 on Jan 13, 2022 11:47:55 GMT -5
This list is getting to be fun to look at. Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State N. Texas Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU I may have missed some people. Feel free to add it. I find this stuff fascinating 14 Female to 6 male based on this. with half the female candidates replacing male candidates.
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Post by n00b on Jan 13, 2022 12:40:40 GMT -5
This list is getting to be fun to look at. Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State N. Texas Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU I may have missed some people. Feel free to add it. I find this stuff fascinating You have North Texas on there twice
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 13, 2022 13:43:58 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach?
I say no. I want the best coach possible hired. Male/Female/Other doesn't come into play. Just don't try to do "floor hugs" with my daughter and I'm good. . Isn’t that with every single program should be looking at. To strictly only hire women or men is just ridiculous. Hire the best person.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 13, 2022 13:52:50 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach?
I say no. I want the best coach possible hired. Male/Female/Other doesn't come into play. Just don't try to do "floor hugs" with my daughter and I'm good. . Isn’t that with every single program should be looking at. To strictly only hire women or men is just ridiculous. Hire the best person. Agreed! The initial problem arises when people aren't considered because they are female or African American or anything other than the dominant fixture of White male. The accompanying problem happens when people then try to over-correct. It takes time to achieve equilibrium but we will get there and hopefully not sacrifice any coaches in the process.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 13, 2022 14:44:58 GMT -5
This list is getting to be fun to look at. Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State N. Texas Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU I may have missed some people. Feel free to add it. I find this stuff fascinating You have North Texas on there twice Oops.. updated
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Post by jackson5vb on Jan 15, 2022 23:56:50 GMT -5
Filing quotas. For the noncontending schools, they obviously care more about optics than winning.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 16, 2022 9:07:10 GMT -5
Filing quotas. For the noncontending schools, they obviously care more about optics than winning. How did you reach this conclusion?
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 16, 2022 12:51:09 GMT -5
Filing quotas. For the noncontending schools, they obviously care more about optics than winning. And you obviously care more about hitting create post on asinine comments than you do spell checking. This comment is so stupid.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Jan 16, 2022 14:11:59 GMT -5
To pick up with a question in the the jobs thread. Is it OK to start a coaching search with the condition you will hire a female coach? I think the answer is yes. All things being equal will a female player relate better to a female coach? Likely. Are you going to find a coach who will be successful with your program if you only consider females? Sure. I think you see it more at D3 but a lot of schools think a female coach is a better option for the women's teams. Did not read all the posts-- forgive me if repetitive Legally, school can not say "we are going to hire a woman" just like they can't say "we will hire someone younger than 45 years-old" That being said any employer (school, business, charity, etc...) has an ideal candidate in mind when they post a job. I think ALOT of schools want to hire women. As a male coach, I have no problem with that. Employers start with an ideal candidate in mind and then have to react to what the candidate pool is. Many schools may start wanting a woman as head coach, but I think men are still getting the majority of the jobs because most candidate pools are overwhelmingly male. Very rarely do you see a female hire that was obviously a female hire for the sake of having a female hire. In my almost 20 years involved with game collegiately, I can only think of 3 - 4 where it was obvious the school was going to hire a woman - period - regardless of candidate pool. Most recently, Macalester (DIII, MN), burned through female candidates only, and AD even called around looking for female candidates. Zero men got a look. but that is the rarity. There will be those on here that disagree with what I have said. But I think there is a difference between hiring a female regardless of qualifications, or lack there of (rarely happens), and hiring a female who is qualified for the position, but has a shorter resume than others. Being "less" qualified (in the eyes of outsiders like us) is different than being "not" qualified as some will whine about when they , or their best coaching friend, gets past over in favor of someone with a shorter resume. While I will agree it can be helpful to be female when relating to players, I think it really boils down to how well you communicate with players. I have seen male coaches who relate better to their players than female coaches. As a male coach, I try to have a female asst on staff, but if the male candidates are much better qualified, I am not going to hire a female for sake of hiring one. All things being equal, or at least close, I will hire a female. This is 100% right. The issue in hiring female coaches is all about the pool of applicants. Anyone that has ever hired for top level positions will tell you that it is very hard to find women who are willing to relocate. There are lots of reasons for this but it is a fact. And the vast majority of D1 head coaching positions are going to require someone to relocate. So you end up with applicate pools that are predominantly male.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 17, 2022 20:16:19 GMT -5
Updated
Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA McNeese St
Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris FDU
Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State Siena
Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU
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Post by vballguy2001 on Feb 10, 2022 12:47:52 GMT -5
Updated
Female to Female: Abilene Christian Alabama George Washington Gonzaga LSU Southern Miss UTSA McNeese St Michigan State SMU Bradley FIU
Male to Male: North Alabama North Dakota Robert Morris FDU
Male to Female: North Texas Chattanooga Temple Appalachian State Notre Dame Penn State Siena Binghamton Tulane
Female to Male: Iowa Long Beach TCU Idaho Georgia State
Tracking this for my own amusement. I have no agenda but stating facts.
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Post by Boom! on Feb 10, 2022 17:14:50 GMT -5
Did not read all the posts-- forgive me if repetitive Legally, school can not say "we are going to hire a woman" just like they can't say "we will hire someone younger than 45 years-old" That being said any employer (school, business, charity, etc...) has an ideal candidate in mind when they post a job. I think ALOT of schools want to hire women. As a male coach, I have no problem with that. Employers start with an ideal candidate in mind and then have to react to what the candidate pool is. Many schools may start wanting a woman as head coach, but I think men are still getting the majority of the jobs because most candidate pools are overwhelmingly male. Very rarely do you see a female hire that was obviously a female hire for the sake of having a female hire. In my almost 20 years involved with game collegiately, I can only think of 3 - 4 where it was obvious the school was going to hire a woman - period - regardless of candidate pool. Most recently, Macalester (DIII, MN), burned through female candidates only, and AD even called around looking for female candidates. Zero men got a look. but that is the rarity. There will be those on here that disagree with what I have said. But I think there is a difference between hiring a female regardless of qualifications, or lack there of (rarely happens), and hiring a female who is qualified for the position, but has a shorter resume than others. Being "less" qualified (in the eyes of outsiders like us) is different than being "not" qualified as some will whine about when they , or their best coaching friend, gets past over in favor of someone with a shorter resume. While I will agree it can be helpful to be female when relating to players, I think it really boils down to how well you communicate with players. I have seen male coaches who relate better to their players than female coaches. As a male coach, I try to have a female asst on staff, but if the male candidates are much better qualified, I am not going to hire a female for sake of hiring one. All things being equal, or at least close, I will hire a female. This is 100% right. The issue in hiring female coaches is all about the pool of applicants. Anyone that has ever hired for top level positions will tell you that it is very hard to find women who are willing to relocate. There are lots of reasons for this but it is a fact. And the vast majority of D1 head coaching positions are going to require someone to relocate. So you end up with applicate pools that are predominantly male. This answer is a little too simplistic. The issue isn't that women aren't willing to relocate. It's that, particularly when families are involved, women often have to juggle priorities, including a husband's job, kids schooling and environment, trusted child-care, etc. Johnson mentioned in her comments that her husband was supportive, and that she believed it was an environment she was comfortable raising her kids and bringing them to campus.
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Post by n00b on Feb 10, 2022 17:39:13 GMT -5
This is 100% right. The issue in hiring female coaches is all about the pool of applicants. Anyone that has ever hired for top level positions will tell you that it is very hard to find women who are willing to relocate. There are lots of reasons for this but it is a fact. And the vast majority of D1 head coaching positions are going to require someone to relocate. So you end up with applicate pools that are predominantly male. This answer is a little too simplistic. The issue isn't that women aren't willing to relocate. It's that, particularly when families are involved, women often have to juggle priorities, including a husband's job, kids schooling and environment, trusted child-care, etc. Johnson mentioned in her comments that her husband was supportive, and that she believed it was an environment she was comfortable raising her kids and bringing them to campus. How is it not about an unwillingness to relocate? You just listed the reasons WHY some women would be more hesitant to relocate.
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Post by Boom! on Feb 10, 2022 17:49:29 GMT -5
This answer is a little too simplistic. The issue isn't that women aren't willing to relocate. It's that, particularly when families are involved, women often have to juggle priorities, including a husband's job, kids schooling and environment, trusted child-care, etc. Johnson mentioned in her comments that her husband was supportive, and that she believed it was an environment she was comfortable raising her kids and bringing them to campus. How is it not about an unwillingness to relocate? You just listed the reasons WHY some women would be more hesitant to relocate. Because, as I said, it's not inherently about unwillingness to relocate. It's about addressing those priorities that might make relocating much more attractive or tenable. Many companies are taking a more comprehensive approach to attracting and retaining talent, but most colleges and universities are not doing that (except for high revenue men's sports, and then it's still mostly about money).
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Feb 10, 2022 18:09:17 GMT -5
A young up and coming male couch is a lot less likely to be married than a young up and coming female coach. So they have more freedom to move all over the country and chase the dream, taking D1 assistant jobs all over the place. The female coach, depending on what her husband does for a living, might have to chase jobs nearby where they live, so if the local D1 isn't hiring, they might have to take a job at a nearby D2 or D3.
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