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Post by fetchin on Jan 7, 2022 14:35:42 GMT -5
It's not going to be Fisher because it makes 0 sense. It hasn't made any sense and it still doesn't make any sense. Just take Sealy then. I’ll pack his bags.
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Post by coahc21 on Jan 7, 2022 14:37:54 GMT -5
It's not going to be Fisher because it makes 0 sense. It hasn't made any sense and it still doesn't make any sense. Please explain....to me it makes sense for both sides
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 7, 2022 14:43:37 GMT -5
Please explain....to me it makes sense for both sides Fisher has built something really good at Pitt, as much as it pains me to say it. Pitt's Athletic Department is giving him everything he needs to succeed. Penn State's Athletic Department is a disaster zone right now outside of the two rev sports. There is virtually no meaningful investment in any non-rev sports. The team facilities are terribly outdated (like those the v-ball teams use) or downright ramshackle (like the tennis and swimming facilities). And for the love of God I do not mean the competition facilities (though some of those are bad, too). People always equate facilities with what they see for competition; that's not what I mean. Fisher has a much easier road right now in the ACC than he does in the Big Ten and he's shown he can get to Final 4; he's going to continue to be able to do that at Pitt. If he *really* wants to get the benefit of coaching in the Big Ten and the extra firepower than brings for recruiting, he can do that at another school that actually is supporting its non-rev sports. I've stated repeatedly why Penn Stat's support of non-rev sports is so bad (particularly right now), but whatever the reasons, it is terrible support and not at all enticing for coaches to come into. Fisher would be crazy to come here right now.
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Post by n00b on Jan 7, 2022 14:47:09 GMT -5
Please explain....to me it makes sense for both sides Fisher has built something really good at Pitt, as much as it pains me to say it. Pitt's Athletic Department is giving him everything he needs to succeed. Penn State's Athletic Department is a disaster zone right now outside of the two rev sports. There is virtually no meaningful investment in any non-rev sports. The team facilities are terribly outdated (like those the v-ball teams use) or downright ramshackle (like the tennis and swimming facilities). And for the love of God I do not mean the competition facilities (though some of those are bad, too). People always equate facilities with what they see for competition; that's not what I mean. Fisher has a much easier road right now in the ACC than he does in the Big Ten and he's shown he can get to Final 4; he's going to continue to be able to do that at Pitt. If he *really* wants to get the benefit of coaching in the Big Ten and the extra firepower than brings for recruiting, he can do that at another school that actually is supporting its non-rev sports. I've stated repeatedly why Penn Stat's support of non-rev sports is so bad (particularly right now), but whatever the reasons, it is terrible support and not at all enticing for coaches to come into. Fisher would be crazy to come here right now. All of this is true. But Penn State gets home games against teams like Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin every year. The ACC had an unbelievable year, but every recruiting battle for him includes trying to convince an athlete why they shouldn’t be on the biggest stage at a Big Ten school. Given generally similar resources, it’s easier to win at Penn State. That doesn’t mean that staying at Pitt is a perfectly fine decision. But it’s still not competing in the Big Ten.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 7, 2022 14:48:36 GMT -5
Please explain....to me it makes sense for both sides Fisher has built something really good at Pitt, as much as it pains me to say it. Pitt's Athletic Department is giving him everything he needs to succeed. Penn State's Athletic Department is a disaster zone right now outside of the two rev sports. There is virtually no meaningful investment in any non-rev sports. The team facilities are terribly outdated (like those the v-ball teams use) or downright ramshackle (like the tennis and swimming facilities). And for the love of God I do not mean the competition facilities (though some of those are bad, too). People always equate facilities with what they see for competition; that's not what I mean. Fisher has a much easier road right now in the ACC than he does in the Big Ten and he's shown he can get to Final 4; he's going to continue to be able to do that at Pitt. If he *really* wants to get the benefit of coaching in the Big Ten and the extra firepower than brings for recruiting, he can do that at another school that actually is supporting its non-rev sports. I've stated repeatedly why Penn Stat's support of non-rev sports is so bad (particularly right now), but whatever the reasons, it is terrible support and not at all enticing for coaches to come into. Fisher would be crazy to come here right now. Interesting. I think most people think it's the "obvious" thing to do because of the championship legacy. I have no idea what the balance of that legacy is between PSU as an institution/administration and Russ Rose (I'm guessing fairly tilted towards Rose). No one will know until another coach(es) has a full career there. There's also the lure of the conference that's built into the job at PSU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 14:49:54 GMT -5
It's not going to be Fisher because it makes 0 sense. It hasn't made any sense and it still doesn't make any sense. it was literally as close to being him as possible. The announcement was going to be today
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Post by coahc21 on Jan 7, 2022 14:49:58 GMT -5
Please explain....to me it makes sense for both sides Fisher has built something really good at Pitt, as much as it pains me to say it. Pitt's Athletic Department is giving him everything he needs to succeed. Penn State's Athletic Department is a disaster zone right now outside of the two rev sports. There is virtually no meaningful investment in any non-rev sports. The team facilities are terribly outdated (like those the v-ball teams use) or downright ramshackle (like the tennis and swimming facilities). And for the love of God I do not mean the competition facilities (though some of those are bad, too). People always equate facilities with what they see for competition; that's not what I mean. Fisher has a much easier road right now in the ACC than he does in the Big Ten and he's shown he can get to Final 4; he's going to continue to be able to do that at Pitt. If he *really* wants to get the benefit of coaching in the Big Ten and the extra firepower than brings for recruiting, he can do that at another school that actually is supporting its non-rev sports. I've stated repeatedly why Penn Stat's support of non-rev sports is so bad (particularly right now), but whatever the reasons, it is terrible support and not at all enticing for coaches to come into. Fisher would be crazy to come here right now. I can get behind that, honestly hope you're right -- what a slap in the face to the Pitt community -- arguably their best sport right now and moved ahead of hated rival PSU only to have their coach leave for that rival -- ouch
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 7, 2022 14:55:36 GMT -5
Given generally similar resources That's the key right there. Penn State's resources right now are bottom of the Big Ten. To use football parlance, Penn State is so far down in the Power 5 that it makes a lot of G5 teams look good. Penn State sports (both rev and non-rev) succeed (sometimes) in spite of the awful resources, not because of good resources. Penn State has gotten by far more based on name than anything else. The problem is that the college sports arms race has reached a point where that just can't work anymore. When teams like Pitt blow by Penn State like it's standing still, that tells you pretty much all you need to know. One presumes changing that commitment level would be a condition of Fisher taking the job.
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Post by odinaka on Jan 7, 2022 14:58:50 GMT -5
So long suckers! Fisher is staying with Pitt!
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 7, 2022 14:59:04 GMT -5
That's the key right there. Penn State's resources right now are bottom of the Big Ten. To use football parlance, Penn State is so far down in the Power 5 that it makes a lot of G5 teams look good. Penn State sports (both rev and non-rev) succeed (sometimes) in spite of the awful resources, not because of good resources. Penn State has gotten by far more based on name than anything else. The problem is that the college sports arms race has reached a point where that just can't work anymore. When teams like Pitt blow by Penn State like it's standing still, that tells you pretty much all you need to know. One presumes changing that commitment level would be a condition of Fisher taking the job. But can PSU make ensure that change? Lots of people seem to think every P5 school,especially Big 10 schools, are rolling in cash due to TV deal money and boosters. Not many are. Plus, these school spend a LOT of money maintaining the athletics teams, staff, admin, infrastrcture.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 7, 2022 15:01:43 GMT -5
One presumes changing that commitment level would be a condition of Fisher taking the job. Which is precisely why I don't expect any really high-level candidates to take this job. Penn State will try, but it will not be in any way, shape, or form be able to give that level of commitment to anyone. It couldn't before the last few years, and it certainly cannot right now with football sapping *all* of the resources except that which is enough to basically field teams in non-rev sports. Football pays for everything, and football is on a resource improvemnt journey just to get into the early 2010s... not even the present day! That's how bad things are right now. I hope like hell Bendapudi is legit. She has a good reputation for what she did helping Louisville modernize... and hire a competent Athletic Director.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 7, 2022 15:03:37 GMT -5
One presumes changing that commitment level would be a condition of Fisher taking the job. But can PSU make ensure that change? Lots of people seem to think every P5 school,especially Big 10 schools, are rolling in cash due to TV deal money and boosters. Not many are. Plus, these school spend a LOT of money maintaining the athletics teams, staff, admin, infrastrcture. LOL if Penn State woke up tomorrow with Pitt's revenue numbers someone would be going to prison. They could make Dan Fisher the highest paid coach in NCAA volleyball and not bat an eye.
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 7, 2022 15:03:41 GMT -5
There is no c in Fisher.
Anyway, Pitt committed in 2020 to a new facility for wrestling and vb. I believe they have been upgrading their Olympic sport facilities for a couple of years.
I think it might even open in time for 2023 season.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 7, 2022 15:06:42 GMT -5
But can PSU make ensure that change? Lots of people seem to think every P5 school,especially Big 10 schools, are rolling in cash due to TV deal money and boosters. Not many are. Plus, these school spend a LOT of money maintaining the athletics teams, staff, admin, infrastrcture. LOL if Penn State woke up tomorrow with Pitt's revenue numbers someone would be going to prison. They could make Dan Fisher the highest paid coach in NCAA volleyball and not bat an eye. I didn't know PSU athletics was that rich. My bad.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 7, 2022 15:06:57 GMT -5
But can PSU make ensure that change? Lots of people seem to think every P5 school,especially Big 10 schools, are rolling in cash due to TV deal money and boosters. Not many are. Plus, these school spend a LOT of money maintaining the athletics teams, staff, admin, infrastrcture. LOL if Penn State woke up tomorrow with Pitt's revenue numbers someone would be going to prison. They could make Dan Fisher the highest paid coach in NCAA volleyball and not bat an eye. Pitt makes that much money? Or are you saying penn state does, and they have more money than most are giving credit for?
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