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Post by uofaGRAD on Jan 7, 2022 15:18:38 GMT -5
Nothing on throws? Disappointed. it’s too big of a slippery slope. they start banning those “throws” and one handed setter dumps no longer exist
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Jan 7, 2022 15:23:12 GMT -5
Nothing on throws? Disappointed. it’s too big of a slippery slope. they start banning those “throws” and one handed setter dumps no longer exist If they aren't throws they would.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jan 7, 2022 15:29:40 GMT -5
it’s too big of a slippery slope. they start banning those “throws” and one handed setter dumps no longer exist If they aren't throws they would. it’s the same kind of contact. your hand is staying on the ball longer than it would for a hit and you are able to place the ball much more accurately. I guarantee you if you took a stopwatch and timed the amount of time Eggleston’s hand is on the ball on her “throws” and the time an average aggressive setter’s hand is on the ball on a dump, it’ll be VERY close. To be completely honest, I wouldn’t care if they did ban it, but people would just have to realize that setters would not be able to dump like they used to, which isn’t a bad thing to some people.
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Post by karellen on Jan 7, 2022 15:32:49 GMT -5
no doubles is an awful change in my opinion -- why are we legislating skill out of our game?? Hate it...
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 7, 2022 15:35:54 GMT -5
I feel like for doubles, it has to be something both the UP and Down ref agree on. They both have to see it and come to agreement.
If not, reset the play?
I don’t know, I think taking away the rule in its entirety is a BAD move.
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Post by justahick on Jan 7, 2022 15:37:42 GMT -5
I feel like for doubles, it has to be something both the UP and Down ref agree on. They both have to see it and come to agreement. If not, reset the play? I don’t know, I think taking away the rule in its entirety is a BAD move. Down ref should not watching the contact much, if at all - this wouldn't work.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 7, 2022 15:41:47 GMT -5
Poulter isn’t a fan (her IG story) 👀
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Post by txvbcoach on Jan 7, 2022 15:42:19 GMT -5
I hope all of you saying taking the rule away would be "bad" have watched the men's side of volleyball. I ref both sides and the acceptable doubles between a men's match and a women's match are very different. If I called doubles in a men's match the way I call it in a women's match I'd have zero respect from everyone. I can't tell you how much nuance (USAV calls it the art of officiating) there is in calling doubles. There can be so many factors that lead up to someone setting a ball that have to be thought about in a split second. You'd have to go through the entire national referee process to understand as well as referee thousands of matches with evaluators giving you feedback.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 7, 2022 15:46:32 GMT -5
I'm in favor of this rule chance. Double calls are way too subjective depending on who the referee is. I'm also okay if they make a point of emphasis to only call it if the ref can clearly see two distinct contacts (i.e. no making the call based on the spin that the ball has).
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 7, 2022 15:48:34 GMT -5
also...only the head coach can address refs now? that seems like a very strong message. Are they calling it the Tyler Hildebrand rule? The real reason he took the Long Beach head coach job.
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Post by rrvbfan on Jan 7, 2022 15:48:51 GMT -5
I think if the double doesn’t cause an advantage, it shouldn’t be called. It’s more of a disadvantage to have your setter doubling all the time. Just my opinion.
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Post by beachgrad on Jan 7, 2022 15:49:22 GMT -5
I enjoy volleyball for a lot of reasons but one of them is the high skill level necessary to excel at this sport. These types of changes are not good for the sport and just allows poor play to flourish. .
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jan 7, 2022 15:52:54 GMT -5
I'm in favor of this rule chance. Double calls are way too subjective depending on who the referee is. I'm also okay if they make a point of emphasis to only call it if the ref can clearly see two distinct contacts (i.e. no making the call based on the spin that the ball has). this. who cares if the ball spins some? I just keep getting flashbacks to Arizona pushing Texas to the brinks at the beginning of the season and the whole game ending on a double call by our right side who literally came from the Netherlands beach program. the whole game ended because there was a little spin on the ball, every fan I passed in my arizona gear made it a point to go out of their way to tell me it was a terrible that the ref would call something as subjective as that on the final play
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Post by karellen on Jan 7, 2022 15:53:19 GMT -5
I think if the double doesn’t cause an advantage, it shouldn’t be called. It’s more of a disadvantage to have your setter doubling all the time. Just my opinion. Is making an illegal contact that is not called an advantage? I would argue not having the play called is an advantage. No call means play continued and maybe my team scored the point after the no-call. Regardless of if there is no-call for both teams, it is an advantage for the team that was able to continue play due to the no-call.
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Post by n00b on Jan 7, 2022 15:55:40 GMT -5
I enjoy volleyball for a lot of reasons but one of them is the high skill level necessary to excel at this sport. These types of changes are not good for the sport and just allows poor play to flourish. . So you thought poor play was flourishing at the Olympics, where they call the game MUCH looser than they do at the college level?
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